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[allstate1]

Originally Posted by proudfather

So, you give validity to the missionary’s accounts. Do you hold the opinion that the unknown languages being spoken in Apostolic churches are not from God? How can you judge such matters?

I'm sorry if my question sounds rude. It is not my intention to be rude.

Dont get so defensive! You are not understanding my question. Read Acts2:5-11. Thats not a missionaries tale thats Bible! My question was , are the tongues in 1 Corinthians 12 the same as in Acts 2???

[proudfather]

Originally Posted by allstate1

Dont get so defensive! You are not understanding my question. Read Acts2:5-11. Thats not a missionaries tale thats Bible! My question was , are the tongues in 1 Corinthians 12 the same as in Acts 2???

The tongues in Acts 2 were a sign to the unbelievers. They heard them speaking in their own tongue...therefore, they marvelled. Paul spoke of a different type of tongue in 1 Cor. 12:

1 Corinthians 12:10 (New King James Version)
10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.

So according to Paul, there is a kind of tongue that must be interpreted. However, this does not imply that all tongues should be interpreted.

1 Corinthians 14:2 (New King James Version)
2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

He speaks to God, not to man and is speaking mysteries, but no man can understand him. Hope this helps.

Sorry if I sounded defensive. Just making a point.

[KWSS1976]

Read all of Corinthians 14 he is clearly saying he rather you speak so the church can understand what is being said....it is about edifing the church...not speaking in an unknown tongue..which does not exsist cause we all know the word "Unknown" was add at a later date...by the translators...

prophesieth edifieth the church.

5I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

[KWSS1976]

And yes the tongues in Acts were for unbeilievers he even tells us this in Corithians...So why do so many pentecostals do it..surely they are beleivers...

22Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

[proudfather]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

And yes the tongues in Acts were for unbeilievers he even tells us this in Corithians...So why do so many pentecostals do it..surely they are beleivers...

22Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Did you read the last part of my post? Please read this verse again and tell me what he's talking about. Notice the use of the NKJV, not the KJV.

1 Corinthians 14:2 (New King James Version)
2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by proudfather

Did you read the last part of my post? Please read this verse again and tell me what he's talking about. Notice the use of the NKJV, not the KJV.

1 Corinthians 14:2 (New King James Version)
2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

It seems to me Paul in Corinthians is saying SOME will speak with tongues. HE just makes it seem as if it is not a requirement for salvation!

[proudfather]

Originally Posted by allstate1

It seems to me Paul in Corinthians is saying SOME will speak with tongues. HE just makes it seem as if it is not a requirement for salvation!

Regarding the tongues in 1 Cor. 14, I cannot find where Paul says this. He says so in chapter 12, but as I pointed out in my 2nd post, he was referring to a different type of tongue; one that must be interpreted.

Read Acts 10 and 19. The new converts spoke in tongues, but no interpretation was given. Acts 8 cannot be explained unless you believe that the new converts spoke in tongues. If they didn't react when they received the Holy Ghost...what did Simon see?

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by proudfather

Regarding the tongues in 1 Cor. 14, I cannot find where Paul says this. He says so in chapter 12, but as I pointed out in my 2nd post, he was referring to a different type of tongue; one that must be interpreted.

Read Acts 10 and 19. The new converts spoke in tongues, but no interpretation was given. Acts 8 cannot be explained unless you believe that the new converts spoke in tongues. If they didn't react when they received the Holy Ghost...what did Simon see?

So the tongues you speak as initial evidence is actually a language but the unknown tongue is not??!

[KWSS1976]

Read all of this not the part you want to read proudfather...

1 Corinthians 14 (King James Version)

1 Corinthians 14
1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

2For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

3But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

4He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

5I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

6Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

7And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?

8For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

9So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

10There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.

11Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.

12Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
13Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

14For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

Now why would you want to speak in tongues and your understanding be unfruitful...your spriit is praying but its not doing you any good because you want understand it...your missing the Whole Point stop reading certain scriptures and read the whole chapter.. read 1 Corithians 14 all the way through,stop picking and choosing what you were taught to believe..Read it as a whole

[KWSS1976]

Please stop with Simon....that is so old...lol I get so tired of hearing that excuse...We don't know what Simon saw..It does not say.. to me he saw someone speaking in a known language that they did not know already..why because in Acts 2 thats what happened..to you it will be uninteligible gibberish...where you get that from I don't know I have yet to find these "Unknown" tongues in the bible..