Worship Casualties: Who speaks for the injured? - Page 6

notofworks · #51 06-05-2010, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

No we can comment on them, but if you have actually experienced something then later had second thoughts about it... or about the meaning or nature of the experience you would be more credible.

But how can I experience something that doesn't exist? My point is, anyone who has done this fell over because they psychologically wanted to, not because they had no choice in the matter. With that in mind, there's no way I could have experienced it.

notofworks · #52 06-05-2010, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

You speak as though you are the expert on the case and none other. But I hate to burst your bubble, you are not. Many will disagree with you. And to add adsurity (sp) to compare being slain to all the other rediculous things is nonesense.

But as to scripture to support someone being slain, I believe there are.

Mat 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.

Matthew 28:4 is quite a bit more than a stretch to prove your position. This was when Jesus rose from the grave. When Jesus rises from the grave and appears in front of you, I'll understand if you pass out.

If you feel as though I'm trying to appear to be an expert, you're welcome to your two cents. But your experience doesn't change the bible, and if it's the bible you desire to follow, you're going to be unable to validate, affirm, or confirm your position concerning being "slain."

Yes, of course, many will disagree with me. Do you really think I would go on a pentecostal/apostolic/charismatic forum, state that "Being slain in the Spirit" isn't real, and think that no one will disagree with me?

To the disagreement, I say, "Bring it on." I welcome it. You're still unable to connect your position with the bible, and in fact, should be able (although I'm sure you won't) to admit that it contradicts scripture.

MissBrattified · #53 06-05-2010, 06:27 PM

Where did people get the idea that if they were "aware" of their actions, it wasn't really "worship?" CRAZY!!!! When my Dad started pastoring in MO, there was a guy in the church that would wildly flail his arms and sort of dance backward, often swiping people or even sitting on them. (He was a pretty big guy, too.) My Dad told him that it was okay to worship with his eyes open! He never really listened, though....

I've seen people do some crazy things, but usually they were watching where they were going. You have to watch out for the ones with their eyes closed.

Kind of like the guy who threw his coat at the singer in that Baptist video posted recently....if he aimed, then shame on him, but I'm guessing he was just wildly exuberant and had checked his brain at the pew!

Personally, I love lively church, but I don't love it when people lose their minds. You have to have a pastor who isn't afraid to correct someone when they get out of order.

easter · #54 06-05-2010, 06:33 PM

I am by no means an expert on this topic but I know that unless your a willing person God is not going to go against no one's will to choose.An example could be if I go to church service with (let's say,Susie) and during service she jumps out and runs the isles.I see her and feel such a joy but at the same time I am not willing to run with her.Then who's lost out?If I'm not willing to do this thing then I only watch and if I'm only watching then how can I say that this is not the things of God? How would know if I'm not willing to believe it is?
On the other hand if Susie is wearing a diaper and puking on people then I'm not going to church with her because Susie is strange.

I can't say I've seen these things,like diapers or puking or stampeding others but I have seen the isle runners and one day I'm going to stuff that well reserved Baptist away and run those isles.One day!

MissBrattified · #55 06-05-2010, 06:34 PM

I definitely believe that sometimes people can be so overcome by the power of God that they can be "slain" in the spirit, more in the sense of feeling physically weak from the experience. The "trance-like" state that may ensue in some situations may be more rare, IMO, but we do read of something like that happening to John. "And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying unto me, fear not; I am the first and the last" (Rev. 1:17)

I also thought of Saul being struck down from his horse/camel/whatever, and so I don't doubt that people can *collapse* under the power of God. Do I believe in people like Benny Hinn? No way--I definitely think the majority of those events are the result of psychological power, not the power of God. Would I deny every personal experience as being real? No--if someone felt it was real, then it was real for them.

pastorrick1959 · #56 06-05-2010, 06:38 PM

god doesnt need a push ,,, i ben slayed and have prayed for many that god has done it too.
i sure aint gonna push them ,,many have told me their legs just went weak ,,,i dont care if they fall ,shout dance , sing, or what when i pray for then their response does not dictate what god is doing altogether.

had folks get miracles that never acted like they felt a thing .

i had a guy pray for me one time that shoved me and hurt my neck for a while ,,i dont like it at all. if god wants them to fall out , he can take care of that hisself ..

i wouldnt make fun of it ,just because you cant read ,book chapter and verse for it ,,dont make it not real ....

i think of an instancen in the bible where the disciples were worried about somones elses preaching ,, JESUS said leave them alone if theyb are not for us it will fail ,if they are on our side ,its ok.. thats the ricky revised version of that!

Sherri · #57 06-05-2010, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I definitely believe that sometimes people can be so overcome by the power of God that they can be "slain" in the spirit, more in the sense of feeling physically weak from the experience. The "trance-like" state that may ensue in some situations may be more rare, IMO, but we do read of something like that happening to John. "And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying unto me, fear not; I am the first and the last" (Rev. 1:17)

I also thought of Saul being struck down from his horse/camel/whatever, and so I don't doubt that people can *collapse* under the power of God. Do I believe in people like Benny Hinn? No way--I definitely think the majority of those events are the result of psychological power, not the power of God. Would I deny every personal experience as being real? No--if someone felt it was real, then it was real for them.

Good stuff, as always, MissB.

I know that what has happened to me in the past is real, so no one arguing can change that. Experience always wins out over arguments.

I remember one time Eddie started to pray for two women (sisters) who were standing together at the altar. They both had their eyes closed, and as he reached toward them, they both came up off their feet and landed flat on their backs with no one to catch them. It was the weirdest thing - Eddie never even touched them and they didn't see him. AND---they were not hurt in the least. Those kinds of things I know are God.

txmom · #58 06-05-2010, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I keep saying it is nothing more then the (un)official Apostolic mating ritual. "Look at how I worship! I can sire many healthy children for you!"

I almost choked ...

Maybe that's why I'm single? Heh.

MissBrattified · #59 06-05-2010, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I keep saying it is nothing more then the (un)official Apostolic mating ritual. "Look at how I worship! I can sire many healthy children for you!"

RW, I appreciate your sense of humor...really.

However, I've had too many men in my life over the years who worshiped God with all their hearts and they weren't thinking of anything (anyone) but Him at the time. My Grandfather, my Dad, my brother-in-laws, my nephews, elder ministers in the church, my husband....

I can get how a few young bucks at youth camp could be showing out a bit, but that's immaturity speaking--and even most of those, I would mark as exceedingly sincere.

I hope that you're just being your usual funny self.

Esther · #60 06-05-2010, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Matthew 28:4 is quite a bit more than a stretch to prove your position. This was when Jesus rose from the grave. When Jesus rises from the grave and appears in front of you, I'll understand if you pass out.

If you feel as though I'm trying to appear to be an expert, you're welcome to your two cents. But your experience doesn't change the bible, and if it's the bible you desire to follow, you're going to be unable to validate, affirm, or confirm your position concerning being "slain."

Yes, of course, many will disagree with me. Do you really think I would go on a pentecostal/apostolic/charismatic forum, state that "Being slain in the Spirit" isn't real, and think that no one will disagree with me?

To the disagreement, I say, "Bring it on." I welcome it. You're still unable to connect your position with the bible, and in fact, should be able (although I'm sure you won't) to admit that it contradicts scripture.

Exactly where does it contradict scripture?