Obama: some children raised by 2 Fathers...

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

We as a society dropped the ball a long time ago when it comes to nurturing real men. We focused on women. Our churches are no different either. That's why I hit hard on the magic hair crud, where God's only protection for a man is his wifes uncut hair.

Watch TV and you will see that man is always depicted as bumbling, stupid fools or soft emasculated boys. Nor did we help when it came to defining marriages. The 60s with free love and all that was the wrong kind of influence. Churches are afraid to stand up and preach against sin, preach real family values and order of creation.

You are kind of generalizing, aren't you? There are many shows on TV where the man is not depicted how you describe.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Twisp

You are kind of generalizing, aren't you? There are many shows on TV where the man is not depicted how you describe.

The Simpsons, Family Guy, Married with Children, Two and a Half Men, How I met your Mother, Friends, The Cosby Show...

I don't watch much TV - and seldom any kind of "sit com," but they all seem to follow this template.

The "adventure" type shows seem to all have strong male leads who have rejected the "traditional family role" in order to be heroes. Jack Bauer, CIS, and all of the variants and spin offs.

I dunno, Twispy. Maybe you and I need to start submitting scripts?

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by pelathais

The Simpsons, Family Guy, Married with Children, Two and a Half Men, How I met your Mother, Friends, The Cosby Show...

I don't watch much TV - and seldom any kind of "sit com," but they all seem to follow this template.

The "adventure" type shows seem to all have strong male leads who have rejected the "traditional family role" in order to be heroes. Jack Bauer, CIS, and all of the variants and spin offs.

I dunno, Twispy. Maybe you and I need to start submitting scripts?

I don't know, Lost had several good male characters, Law and Order has strong male characters, The Middle does, Scrubs had several, That 70's show did when it still aired, Smallville does and did, NCIS, JAG, CSI Sons of Anarchy does.

My point is one can't say all of TV portrays men poorly. That is not true.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Twisp

I don't know, Lost had several good male characters, Law and Order has strong male characters, The Middle does, Scrubs had several, That 70's show did when it still aired, Smallville does and did, NCIS, JAG, CSI Sons of Anarchy does.

My point is one can't say all of TV portrays men poorly. That is not true.

That's probably true. I think I understand you a little better if you're sympathetic toward the "Red" character on That 70s Show. LOL.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by pelathais

That's probably true. I think I understand you a little better if you're sympathetic toward the "Red" character on That 70s Show. LOL.

I am not sure how to answer, lol, or that I want to answer. I will cautiously say that I like his character, HOWEVER, I maintain the ability to say that I despise his character at a later time. lol

No, really, his character, for the time frame, was a good character. He was a type of individual that was having trouble dealing and changing with the new generation coming up. We can all understand that feeling, I think.

[Praxeas]

Add to that,

Riggs was 55, she was 29. Conner later played King and beat her with uneven rules

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Twisp

I don't know, Lost had several good male characters, Law and Order has strong male characters, The Middle does, Scrubs had several, That 70's show did when it still aired, Smallville does and did, NCIS, JAG, CSI Sons of Anarchy does.

My point is one can't say all of TV portrays men poorly. That is not true.

That 70's show...yeah. Eric is a whimpy momma's boy. Red is a hard you know what father that verbally abuses the boy. That show is not a role model for sons, daughters, mothers or fathers.

The point was, there are plenty of shows out there that depict men in a bad light and families as all disfunctional

[Praxeas]

Red was cool, but Id have to say, if he was my dad growing up, I would have punched his lights out

[Hoovie]

You guys done swallowed the bait. I have no clue who these guys are or the shows they are on!


Pardon me a moment while I "have a jubilee" to pat myself on the back!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

You guys done swallowed the bait. I have no clue who these guys are or the shows they are on!


Pardon me a moment while I "have a jubilee" to pat myself on the back!

Yeah, you probably took your cues from Rob Petrie, from the looks of your shockamoo dancer. LOL.