__________________ Jeremiah chapter 4 and verse 21 KJV
How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?
1 Cor. chapter 14 and verse 8 KJV
8For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
Joel chapter 2 and verse 1
Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
If you live by the guidelines given in the Bible TRULY....and are filled with HIS spirit and allow GOD to lead and guide you, then you will know exactly what to do and not do. You don't need man making up rules to "apply to specifics" for today.
So why did Paul have to give instructions to the churches? Why not just allow them to go their own way? Why even have a pastor? What's the need in churches?
__________________ Jeremiah chapter 4 and verse 21 KJV
How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?
1 Cor. chapter 14 and verse 8 KJV
8For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
Joel chapter 2 and verse 1
Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
So why did Paul have to give instructions to the churches? Why not just allow them to go their own way? Why even have a pastor? What's the need in churches?
Instruction is different than making up "rules" that when broken will send you to hell.
Paul instructed on HOW to live a godly life, how to be a good Christian. It's there and what ministers use (or should use) to encourage and instruct us if we are too lazy to read and study for ourselves.
Ministers have a purpose - - but, the purpose isn't to make up rules to knock down people with. If more ministers would begin to instruct and preach ONLY the Bible - - we'd see a revival!!!!
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So, God worked through men to make the rule: "thou shalt not watch TV"
Then... the internet up and happened, I am guessing it caught God by surprise since he didn't work through men to make up the rule: "thou shalt not use the internet" By the time God thought of it the horse was already out of the barn and three counties away.
Uh huh.
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So, God worked through men to make the rule: "thou shalt not watch TV"
Then... the internet up and happened, I am guessing it caught God by surprise since he didn't work through men to make up the rule: "thou shalt not use the internet" By the time God thought of it the horse was already out of the barn and three counties away.
Uh huh.
God gave the Isrealites the commandments through Moses. Why didn't they ask him, "Are you sure taht's what God told you?"
__________________ Jeremiah chapter 4 and verse 21 KJV
How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?
1 Cor. chapter 14 and verse 8 KJV
8For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
Joel chapter 2 and verse 1
Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
God gave the Isrealites the commandments through Moses. Why didn't they ask him, "Are you sure taht's what God told you?"
I don't consider my self a scholar or anything but isnt the bible meant as a book of guidance and teachings. Are we going to do everything EXACTLY the same way it was done in the bible...NO. Paul and Moses were men just like we are who had a way of thinking and choices just like us. Im not taking away from the importance of the Bible but you cant possibly do everything JUST LIKE THEY DID.
God gave the Isrealites the commandments through Moses. Why didn't they ask him, "Are you sure taht's what God told you?"
One point you are missing here - - - the Israelites didn't have GOD living in them like we do now.
God can speak to a minister now to give guidance and instructions, but God isn't giving ministers new RULES that you have to have to make it to heaven.
God is NOT the author of confusion.
Bro. A in Mississippi gets a word that wearing wedding rings are a sin.
Bro. B in Ohio didn't get that word.
How do you explain that?
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Master of Science in Applied Disgruntled Religious Theorist Wrangling
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Dean of the School of Hard Knocks
I don't consider my self a scholar or anything but isnt the bible meant as a book of guidance and teachings. Are we going to do everything EXACTLY the same way it was done in the bible...NO. Paul and Moses were men just like we are who had a way of thinking and choices just like us. Im not taking away from the importance of the Bible but you cant possibly do everything JUST LIKE THEY DID.
11These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come.
just sayin
So I ask the question again...why do we need pastors? If God can't give authority to men to lay down some guidelines for teh church, then we're in trouble. Paul didn't seem to have a problem setting standards for teh churches, and he didn't always quote scripture.
__________________ Jeremiah chapter 4 and verse 21 KJV
How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?
1 Cor. chapter 14 and verse 8 KJV
8For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
Joel chapter 2 and verse 1
Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
So I ask the question again...why do we need pastors? If God can't give authority to men to lay down some guidelines for teh church, then we're in trouble. Paul didn't seem to have a problem setting standards for teh churches, and he didn't always quote scripture.
I think Pastors should lay down those quidlines that are found in the Bible. If the Pastor says "I think" we should do this or that then so be it but NO Pastor should make something Heaven or Hell if God doesnt!
The command to “Rule” the church is sometimes taken to extremes in my opinion. A pastor’s official responsibility is to govern the church along with the elders, and his focus should be primarily spiritual: matters such as edifying believers and equipping the saints to do the work of the ministry (Ephesians 4:12) are a pastor’s main concern. We have all heard of pastors who seem more dictatorial than shepherd-like, requiring those under their authority to seek their permission before making an investment, going on vacation, etc. Such men, it seems to me, simply desire control and are not fit to rule the church of God.
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