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Old 07-01-2010, 01:41 PM
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It's like I said. You don't want scriptures, you don't want Biblical arguments. You just want to be right in your own mind.
You've done just like I said. Paste a scripture and your pre-conceived opinion and think it's supposed to match because you say so.

Tell me, when were you taught women in pants were evil? Did you discover this revelation on your own? How did it happen?
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If you're going to copy and paste, please cite your sourec -- thanks.

Since we believe the Bible, more specifically, the King James Bible, to be the FINAL AUTHORITY
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No, pretty much that's NOT what pops into my head. I know it does for you. So let's just say what pops into our head is irrevelant. What the Text meant for the original audience IS relevant.


You've failed to establish that a women wearing women's pants is a violation of God's word. I think you still haven't taken the time to understand what this passage meant to the original audience. Do that, come back and let's chat.
Did you real all of my posts before you decided to respond. Just like you liberals.
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"Apparel" today is a very general term that means "any article of clothing." But did you know that in 1611 the word "apparel" meant "loose, long flowing garment?" Look it up in an old Oxford English Dictionary that has the archaic meanings of words. Furthermore, the Greek word is katastole which is an EXACTING WORD, and it is the ONLY place in the Bible where it is used. There are lots of words for clothing, attire, etc., but this word comes from a verb form which means "to lower." It denoted a loose-fitting outer garment, which was LONG. Paul used this word specifically to tell women that they are to wear long DRESSES. Pants, miniskirts, tight dresses, etc. can not fit the definition of this exacting word. Consult your Vine’s Dictionary for verification of this word definition.

The fact that God wants a CLEAR distinction between the appearance of a man and a woman is also repeated in I Corinthians 11 when Paul deals with the issue of hair length. God is very concerned with the outward appearance of a saved person. To believe otherwise is to profess ignorance of the Word of God.

"Yeah, but what makes you think that pants are a man’s garment?"

Good question. I have a four part answer to this which demonstrates that pants always pertain to men, even today.

"Breeches" were an article of clothing designed by God for the priests who were all men. The word does not occur very often in scripture, but in every case it’s men’s apparel (Exodus 28:42, Leviticus 6:10, 16:4). According to my Hebrew lexicon, "breeches" means "trousers that extend to the knee, below the knee, or to the ankles." This would include pants, shorts, or culottes.
Until the advent of Hollywood and the movie screen, everyone (including lost people) knew that pants were men’s apparel and dresses were women’s apparel, and they dressed accordingly. Our culture’s (and sadly most churches’) acceptance of cross-dressing has resulted largely from the influence of television, the placement of women in the workforce, and the pressures of twentieth century feminism.
The universal symbol for designating a men’s bathroom is a stick figure wearing a pair of pants. The universal symbol for designating a woman’s bathroom is a stick figure wearing a dress. Coincidence? Hardly. Even our sinful society recognizes that there is a difference in a man’s and woman’s clothing.
Pants are a symbol of authority, as evidenced by the saying " I’m the one who wears the pants in the family." Sadly, most women might as well wear the pants, since they rule their homes anyway!
"Yeah, but pants are not really that immodest"

The following is from What in the World Should I Wear? by Mrs. Cathy Corle:

"A friend of mine told me that her decision to restrict her wardrobe to dresses and skirts came as a result of a ladies’ class. All the arguments and reasons that could be given were unheeded until the lady who was speaking said, ‘Let me just demonstrate something to you.’ She asked the ladies in the audience to close their eyes momentarily. She held up a large picture of a woman in an attractive, modest feminine skirt and blouse. She asked the ladies to open their eyes. Then she inquired, ‘What is the primary focal point to this picture? Where did your eyes first fall naturally?’ The audience agreed that their eyes were first drawn to the face of the woman in the picture.

"She once again asked the ladies to close their eyes. When they opened their eyes they were looking at a large poster of a woman in a sport shirt and blue jeans. She asked, ‘Now, be honest with yourselves, and tell me where your eyes first fell naturally when you looked at this picture?’ Many of the ladies in the crowd were surprised to find that most people’s eyes first focused upon the hips and crotch area that were so vividly emphasized before they ever noticed the woman’s face.

"If this happened in a crowd of ladies, how much more would it be true of men? For my friend, Joetta, this was all the ‘evidence’ that was needed."

To this I say, "AMEN!" Christian women should always be aware of Matthew 5:28,

"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. "

"Yeah, but wearing pants may be wrong for some saved women, but I’m not ‘convicted’ about it."

So you’re not "convicted" about wearing pants? Big deal. Does that give you permission to rebel against the Word of God? You must ask yourself, "What is the FINAL AUTHORITY on deciding what I believe and how I live? The Bible? Or how I ‘feel’ convicted?"

Jeremiah 17:9 - The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Proverbs 14:12 - There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Human feelings are very deceptive. We cannot rely on them. Any "leading" you may feel to do or not to do something that is contrary to the Word of God is not of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit NEVER leads contrary to the Bible, but He always leads according to the Bible.

Ephesians 6:17 - And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

I John 5:7-8 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Many people claim not to be "convicted" about forsaking church attendance, drinking alcohol, smoking, gambling, cursing, fornication, adultery, and all manner of activities clearly forbidden in the Bible, but that does not make it all right for them to do these things. I John 4:1 warns us,

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

To try and say that wearing pants may be wrong for some saved women and not for others is to engage in moral relativism which strips all authority from God’s Word. God does not have two sets of standards. He is no respecter of persons.

Acts 10:34 - Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Wearing pants is either wrong for ALL saved women, or it is wrong for none. In deciding if something is right or wrong, our first consideration must ALWAYS be what the Word of God says, not how we may "feel convicted."

Ecclesiastes 12:13 -14 - Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

Follow the Bible, and you’ll be doing what is right. Follow your feelings, emotions, leadings, etc., and who knows what you’ll be doing?

"Yeah, but wearing pants is not really that big of an issue, and they are much more comfortable and practical to wear"

It’s kind of funny that for nearly 6000 years, women always wore long dresses, but only since the last 40 years, a dress is suddenly "impractical" to wear. You cannot change history to validate what you want to make acceptable for today. Nowadays, women think that they cannot so much as rake a few leaves without adorning themselves in a pair of pants.



This is all very impressive and you obviously had it fired up and ready to go, unless you are the fastest thinker and typer in the history of the world. But with all the bloviation of this diatribe, the primary central issue is completely ignored.....context and culture.

That final paragraph seems laughable. For the first 6,000 years, the human race didn't use a cell phone, a fax machine, laptop, or the internet. You seem to be doing quite well with those things.
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It's like I said. You don't want scriptures, you don't want Biblical arguments. You just want to be right in your own mind.
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What was men's apparel in Deut?
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Did you real all of my posts before you decided to respond. Just like you liberals.
Rude.

You wrote way to much, and didn't indicate your post was going to "be continued." Sorry.

If you're an incredible writer, maybe 2 full posts? Even then your pushing it.
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I said in the AG video thread that I don't like their cliche, "Accept Jesus as your personal Savior" because it's not in the bible. You don't agree with the validity of that argument?

Second, people frequently say in the prosperity doctrine world, "If any two or three agree as touching.....". You know the rest. They use it as getting anything they want just because 2 people agree. But that's not what that verse means. Don't you agree with that? People will quote Phil. 4:13, "I can do all things through Chris...." just before performing in the long jump in the Olympics. But that's not what that verse means. Agree? I think what a verse means is important.

Standards....I'd still like your thoughts on this.
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What was men's apparel in Deut?
Oh, THAT'S different, Renda. It was their culture at the time... It is now appropriate to play that card.
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Standard,

What was men's apparel in Deut?

And therein lies the key....which is COMPLETELY ignored. Standards would NEVER wear what they wore. Why? CULTURE!! Culture is a factor. It has to be. If it's not, Standards needs to change his clothes before the rapture takes place!
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It's like I said. You don't want scriptures, you don't want Biblical arguments. You just want to be right in your own mind.
Ever think about how long women have been wearing pants?

Not long!

It mostly started in this new enlightened (backslid) age.

When I was a kid girls were not allowed to wear pants in any form to school.

You go to town and every woman had on a dress or skirt.
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It's like I said. You don't want scriptures, you don't want Biblical arguments. You just want to be right in your own mind.
No I want people to stop interpreting scriptures they way they want and unfortunately preaching it as heaven or hell. Im tired of people making others feel like they aren’t living for God just because they don’t dress the part certain PEOPLE want them to. Its people like you that are and pushing people away from GOD. There are people out there who need to hear about God and less about what YOU require them to wear to be a Christian.
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