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Old 07-03-2010, 03:38 PM
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Hey, some folks LIKE graffiti. It's not a negative term to all....

But I'm willing to bet a few bucks that he wasn't using it in a positive way. Sorta like when you call me a "Head-banger".
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TATTOOING AND BODY PIERCING
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“You shall not make any cutting in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the Lord” Lev. 19:28. The context of this passage refers to the Israelites coming into the land of Canaan, and Moses was warning them not to take on the customs of the heathen people. They are not to “practice divination or sooth-saying”(v.26) or be involved in any idolatrous practices, among which are “cuttings in your flesh” and “tattoos”. Cutting the flesh was an unnatural disfigurement of the body common in times of mourning among people of the East.



The priests of Baal cut themselves “as was their custom” to seek favor from or propitiate their idolatrous god. (I Kings 18:28).



Tattooing and body piercing involve more than art. What is behind these activities? At the root there is always pagan idolatry and mysticism. So, these are spiritual activities that give opportunity for demonic infiltration.



Tattooing indicates allegiance to a deity. Soldiers and slaves were tattooed to show allegiance to their superiors and masters. Tattoos are symbols of servitude. (Compare piercing the ear as the mark of slavery: Exod. 21:5,6; Deut. 15:17)



Interestingly, the Greek word for “mark” or “tattoo” is stigma, a common English word of the same spelling which means “to disgrace, defame or ruin one’s reputation”.



In the “90’s the fad of tattooing mushroomed. We see tattoos everywhere we look, and it is not just the young people but the professionals, middle-class, middle-aged, celebrities, athletes and you name it are caught up in this fad.



Since our involvement in deliverance in the ‘60’s, we have known that tattoos and body piercing give place to the devil. We have ministered deliverance related to the pictures, symbols, desecration of the body and soul-ties involved with tattoos, and we have broken soul-ties and enslavement related to pierced ears.



William Sudduth, Righteous Acts Ministries, has recently published a book, “What’s Behind the Ink? - Tattooing, Piercing and Other Fads”, which we enthusiastically recommend, and from which, by permission, quote the following excerpts:



“A Harris Poll, done in 2003...estimates that 16% of all Americans, over 45 million people, now have one or more tattoos...36% of people age 25-39 have one or more tattoos. And 28% of Americans 30 to 39 have tattoos.”



‘‘Dr. Robert Raspa cited the following psychiatric conditions as associated with tattoos: impulsiveness, low self-esteem,. lack of self-control, homosexual orientation, sexual sadomasochism, bondage, fetishism, bisexuality, lesbianism, antisocial personality, borderline personality disorder, schizo-typical personality disorder, mania and bipolar disorder, and schizophrenia.”



According to a study done by Timothy Roberts, a pediatrician at The University of Rochester Children’s Hospital, “Today’s tattooed young people are nearly four times more likely to engage in sexual intercourse. They are also over two times more likely to experience alcohol related problems, use illegal drugs, express violent behavior, and drop out of high school.”


“Throughout history the cutting of the flesh, and blood-letting were rituals performed to unleash supernatural powers. There’s no doubt that cutting, piercing and tattooing are all connected to the satanic and demonic practices of blood-letting and magic... The magical and spiritual significance of cutting and piercing is the very reason for God’s prohibition in Leviticus against cutting the body and the letting of blood..”



“It is obvious from the history and current studies that piercing is a ‘not so subtle’ form of rebellion. It is rebellion against societal norms, against authority, and ultimately rebellion against God.”



“Tattooing and piercing are invasive procedures that can result in serious skin and blood infections. Dr. Bob Hale at the University of Texas, Southwestern Medical School in Dallas, says that four million Americans re currently inflected with hepatitis C. and, it’s on the increase! Hepatitis C now kills over 10,000 people year in our nation...We found that commercially acquired tattoos counted for more than twice as many hepatitis C infections as injection-drug use...People who get tattooed in a commercial tattoo parlor were nine times more likely to get hepatitis C.”



“Interestingly enough the latest fad in tattoos is actually tattoo removal!...Over 50% of everyone receiving a tattoo want it removed....A $25 tattoo might cost $5,000 to remove.”



“Before you let that ink ‘mark’ you for the reset of your life, think very carefully about the possible risks to your health. Also consider the spiritual and social consequences...both tattoos and piercing could damage current or future relationships. This could include friends, spouses, parents, teachers, and employers. Certain jobs will never be available to people who have visible body art.”



“There is absolutely no such thing as a Christian tattoo. In fact the mere term ‘Christian tattoo’ is, at best, an oxymoron....the widespread practice, acceptance and popularity of body modification definitely says, ‘My body belongs to me’ not to God! ‘Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought with a price, Therefore honor God with you body’’” I Cor. 6:19,20 (NIV).



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TATTOOING AND BODY PIERCING
Frank Hammond

“You shall not make any cutting in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the Lord” Lev. 19:28. The context of this passage refers to the Israelites coming into the land of Canaan, and Moses was warning them not to take on the customs of the heathen people. They are not to “practice divination or sooth-saying”(v.26) or be involved in any idolatrous practices, among which are “cuttings in your flesh” and “tattoos”. Cutting the flesh was an unnatural disfigurement of the body common in times of mourning among people of the East.

The priests of Baal cut themselves “as was their custom” to seek favor from or propitiate their idolatrous god. (I Kings 18:28).

Tattooing and body piercing involve more than art. What is behind these activities? At the root there is always pagan idolatry and mysticism. So, these are spiritual activities that give opportunity for demonic infiltration.

Tattooing indicates allegiance to a deity. Soldiers and slaves were tattooed to show allegiance to their superiors and masters. Tattoos are symbols of servitude. (Compare piercing the ear as the mark of slavery: Exod. 21:5,6; Deut. 15:17)

Interestingly, the Greek word for “mark” or “tattoo” is stigma, a common English word of the same spelling which means “to disgrace, defame or ruin one’s reputation”.

In the “90’s the fad of tattooing mushroomed. We see tattoos everywhere we look, and it is not just the young people but the professionals, middle-class, middle-aged, celebrities, athletes and you name it are caught up in this fad.

Since our involvement in deliverance in the ‘60’s, we have known that tattoos and body piercing give place to the devil. We have ministered deliverance related to the pictures, symbols, desecration of the body and soul-ties involved with tattoos, and we have broken soul-ties and enslavement related to pierced ears.

William Sudduth, Righteous Acts Ministries, has recently published a book, “What’s Behind the Ink? - Tattooing, Piercing and Other Fads”, which we enthusiastically recommend, and from which, by permission, quote the following excerpts:

“A Harris Poll, done in 2003...estimates that 16% of all Americans, over 45 million people, now have one or more tattoos...36% of people age 25-39 have one or more tattoos. And 28% of Americans 30 to 39 have tattoos.”

‘‘Dr. Robert Raspa cited the following psychiatric conditions as associated with tattoos: impulsiveness, low self-esteem,. lack of self-control, homosexual orientation, sexual sadomasochism, bondage, fetishism, bisexuality, lesbianism, antisocial personality, borderline personality disorder, schizo-typical personality disorder, mania and bipolar disorder, and schizophrenia.”

According to a study done by Timothy Roberts, a pediatrician at The University of Rochester Children’s Hospital, “Today’s tattooed young people are nearly four times more likely to engage in sexual intercourse. They are also over two times more likely to experience alcohol related problems, use illegal drugs, express violent behavior, and drop out of high school.”

“Throughout history the cutting of the flesh, and blood-letting were rituals performed to unleash supernatural powers. There’s no doubt that cutting, piercing and tattooing are all connected to the satanic and demonic practices of blood-letting and magic... The magical and spiritual significance of cutting and piercing is the very reason for God’s prohibition in Leviticus against cutting the body and the letting of blood..”

“It is obvious from the history and current studies that piercing is a ‘not so subtle’ form of rebellion. It is rebellion against societal norms, against authority, and ultimately rebellion against God.”

“Tattooing and piercing are invasive procedures that can result in serious skin and blood infections. Dr. Bob Hale at the University of Texas, Southwestern Medical School in Dallas, says that four million Americans re currently inflected with hepatitis C. and, it’s on the increase! Hepatitis C now kills over 10,000 people year in our nation...We found that commercially acquired tattoos counted for more than twice as many hepatitis C infections as injection-drug use...People who get tattooed in a commercial tattoo parlor were nine times more likely to get hepatitis C.”

“Interestingly enough the latest fad in tattoos is actually tattoo removal!...Over 50% of everyone receiving a tattoo want it removed....A $25 tattoo might cost $5,000 to remove.”

“Before you let that ink ‘mark’ you for the reset of your life, think very carefully about the possible risks to your health. Also consider the spiritual and social consequences...both tattoos and piercing could damage current or future relationships. This could include friends, spouses, parents, teachers, and employers. Certain jobs will never be available to people who have visible body art.”

“There is absolutely no such thing as a Christian tattoo. In fact the mere term ‘Christian tattoo’ is, at best, an oxymoron....the widespread practice, acceptance and popularity of body modification definitely says, ‘My body belongs to me’ not to God! ‘Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought with a price, Therefore honor God with you body’’” I Cor. 6:19,20 (NIV).

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Great copy & paste there. How 'bout an original thought?

Here's one:

No matter how long of an article anyone can write, original Greek words one finds in Strong's Concordance, or personal feelings of exclusivity against those who are different than they, there is absolutely nothing in the bible that is anywhere close to forbidding tattoos or even speaks negatively of them. Period.

This is an unalterable truth.
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and everyone is entitled to rebuttle that opinion if it is not a valid one. Just like he has the right to challenge NOW's POV on the topic. That is why this forum is so great we all get to give our opinions and see the rebutted. It is done with good humility I do believe in most cases.
This is true, that is what I was saying. But we are one of God's creations, so we are His. The scripture he referred to is about the inward not the outward.
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I disagree. You can't turn it into something it isn't no matter what your beliefs are. Just because one has a belief, doesn't make it valid. If I refuse to drive a car because God made that oil and it's an abomination for us to burn it, does that make it a valid opinion? I think not.

He can regret it. That's up to him. But he can't put his "Temple" beliefs on other people.
I don't think he was trying to put HIS beliefs on anyone else. I think he said it was HIS opinion.
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‘‘Dr. Robert Raspa cited the following psychiatric conditions as associated with tattoos: impulsiveness, low self-esteem,. lack of self-control, homosexual orientation, sexual sadomasochism, bondage, fetishism, bisexuality, lesbianism, antisocial personality, borderline personality disorder, schizo-typical personality disorder, mania and bipolar disorder, and schizophrenia.”



According to a study done by Timothy Roberts, a pediatrician at The University of Rochester Children’s Hospital, “Today’s tattooed young people are nearly four times more likely to engage in sexual intercourse. They are also over two times more likely to experience alcohol related problems, use illegal drugs, express violent behavior, and drop out of high school.”

That first list is laughable, can you name a few more things to throw in there? I would question the scientific nature of this list.

The second is probably accurate, however, I think they are attributing the problem to a symptom. It isn't the tattoo causing the problem. You have to wonder what is going on in a sixteen year old kids life that his parents are so absent in his/her life that they are getting tattoos.
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All that God EVER cares about is the inside. Inside will reflect on the outside, but not like the UPC preachers like to state it as an argument for standards.
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Are tattoos a sin? Ask this guy:

I think he looks ridiculous.
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Tattooing and body piercing involve more than art. What is behind these activities? At the root there is always pagan idolatry and mysticism. So, these are spiritual activities that give opportunity for demonic infiltration.



Tattooing indicates allegiance to a deity.


I don't think this is true. Some people might get a tattoo for these reasons, but it doesn't follow that tattooing itself always has those things as its root.

I don't care for tattoos myself, at all. But the majority of people who get them do so for decorative purposes only, or to 'say' something like JTullock's wife.

I think it's a matter of personal preference.
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But I'm willing to bet a few bucks that he wasn't using it in a positive way. Sorta like when you call me a "Head-banger".
I wasn't aware that I was suppose to respond in the positive, only to state an opionion.
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