Isaiah 3 and jewelry... - Page 27

rdp · #**261** 07-12-2010, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

The attitude we are witnessing goes with pharisaism consistently. You will not see a pharisee without it. It is a spirit, and not a good one.

What's consistent is the typical screaming of "Pharisee" & "Legalist" by the liberal crowd...all because someone has the courage to proclaim what the Bible literally says.

See ya' tommorrow.

Jeffrey · #**262** 07-12-2010, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rdp

Contrare' Monfrare...The Ol' Rebekah excuse. Mike have you ever realized that in Rebekah's time jewelry was not a problem for his people, but as time progressed God began to show His disapproval w/ it?? "Put O-F-F [not 'ON'] thy ornaments, that I may know what to do w/ you."

Your logical fallacy is called the "Fallacy of Neglected Aspect." That is, you present one-sided arguments, all the while ignoring the other side. To make matters worse, most of the arguments that you foster are extracted from figurative passages, which as we've seen, cuts both ways!. When it comes to the literal condemnation of jewelry, you simply sweep it under the rug. Sorry Charlie...ain't happenin' here!

Be back tommorrow....forced to run for the day! Should have more time tommorrow.

LOL Do you have a Debate text book next to you and try to confine someone's argument to one of your cute little categories. You are about as phony as they come, my friend.

A one-sided argument, without presenting the other side? WTH????? You've done that on every post on this thread

Again, you make no sense in your response to Mike. I mean, do you actually think your making sense? This would go a whole lot smoother if you did... then we could actually go somewhere with the discussion.

SeekingOne · #**263** 07-12-2010, 04:16 PM

I am not exactly a Bible scholar, but it seems that when jewelry is used in a negative fashion, it isn't the jewelry itself. In other words, the scripture doesn't say the jewelry is evil, but how people use it. Sort of like money, it isn't evil but it can certainly turn someone away from God. Just because Jesus instructed the "rich man" to go and sell all that he had, doesn't mean everyone should do that.

Again, I am not comfortable wearing jewelry so I am not defending because I want to wear it. I just don't see anything against jewelry, but on the "spirit" behind some that wear it. Just as I see a negative "spirit" behind some that love money instead of just using money.

If a person couldn't live without their jewelry, money, make-up, whatever, then I would have them question why? Don't seek an outward image, instead seek a deep relationship with Jesus and let THAT image shine through.

As far as jewelry is concerned, my friends wearing jewelry to be pretty is no different than "standards" women wearing a dress or poofy hair to be pretty. If the dress, jewelry, poofy hair etc. draw such attention that it defines them, then MAYBE it is a problem. I wouldn't bother even thinking about it unless it were my child though! LOL I am not the judge of the world.

Jeffrey · #**264** 07-12-2010, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rdp

What's consistent is the typical screaming of "Pharisee" & "Legalist" by the liberal crowd...all because someone has the courage to proclaim what the Bible literally says.

See ya' tommorrow.

You've all but stated that people are "in rebellion" over the "wedding ring" issue. You use God's word to beat people down. You spend more time straining gnats on AFF than you have anything else.

God is a lavish prodigal savior yet you sound like a one-tracked, stuck on legalism miser.

You want courage? Consider that you may be wrong? I dare you. Consider it. Then I'll know you have courage. Otherwise, it's pure hubris.

mfblume · #**265** 07-12-2010, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rdp

Contrare' Monfrare...The Ol' Rebekah excuse. Mike have you ever realized that in Rebekah's time jewelry was not a problem for his people, but as time progressed God began to show His disapproval w/ it?? "Put O-F-F [not 'ON'] thy ornaments, that I may know what to do w/ you."

So does that mean by Ezekiel 16's time jewelry was okay? By the way, where does the bible say God deemed jewelry something His people could not handle whereas they could beforehand? You are beginning to concoct doctrines as you go, now.

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Your logical fallacy is called the "Fallacy of Neglected Aspect." That is, you present one-sided arguments, all the while ignoring the other side.

Wrong. I know the bible noted jewelry with harlotry, showing I ignore nothing of your argument. But in all your words, you refuse to answer me. I have explanations. Jewelry for SOME MANNERS is wrong, but not for all, and that means you cannot paint everyone who wears jewelry as a harlot, especially since the bible does not relate your distinction that claims TIME changed God's mind about the issue. lol What about Jesus' time when he mentioned the prodigal and a ring?

It's like you will argue for anti-jewelry stances no matter what.

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To make matters worse, most of the arguments that you foster are extracted from figurative passages, which as we've seen, cuts both ways!.

Show me, then, why God used jewelry if we were meant to not use it alt all. You are hedging.

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When it comes to the literal condemnation of jewelry, you simply sweep it under the rug. Sorry Charlie...ain't happenin' here!

IOW< stick your head in the sand, and you mean you refuse to actually answer me.

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Be back tommorrow....forced to run for the day! Should have more time tommorrow.

With no more answers than today?

Jeffrey · #**266** 07-12-2010, 04:20 PM

RDP considers himself an exegete, a scholar even, yet uses scriptures like Jer 4:30 (of course, not a pericope, but a specific verse. ahem) to prove that God prohibits jewlery!

What are you doing,
you who have been plundered?
Why do you dress up in beautiful clothing
and put on gold jewelry?
Why do you brighten your eyes with mascara?
Your primping will do you no good!
The allies who were your lovers
despise you and seek to kill you.

He is clearly describing what the audience at that time would recognize as harlotry. Not one thing in particular, but an entire portrait! Furthermore, his focus in this pericope is not hookers at all! Israel, the figurative woman here, is batting her eyes at lovers who despise her and hate her. God is jealous. He is hurting. We may as well add in the verse "batting the eyes, wearing perfume, making kissy-lips, twirling your hair." But only a legalistic maniac would proof-text a verse like this to use it as a "see, there it is, God prohibits jewelry" verse. Just amazes me.

mfblume · #**267** 07-12-2010, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rdp

What's consistent is the typical screaming of "Pharisee" & "Legalist" by the liberal crowd...all because someone has the courage to proclaim what the Bible literally says.

See ya' tommorrow.

You argue in quite a circular fashion indeed!