My only take on this story is that we have yet another vivid example of how an individual operating from behind a pulpit concluded that he had a clear charge and authority to determine/affirm that a marriage convenant had ended (disavowed?) in the eyes of God.
This topic makes me wonder if a significant portion AFF folks think that a preacher is the authority that establishes the joining of two people with a marriage convenant....thus making a preacher the authority that can determine a bond no longer exists?
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My only take on this story is that we have yet another vivid example of how an individual operating from behind a pulpit concluded that he had a clear charge and authority to determine/affirm that a marriage convenant had ended (disavowed?) in the eyes of God.
This topic makes me wonder if a significant portion AFF folks think that a preacher is the authority that establishes the joining of two people with a marriage convenant....thus making a preacher the authority that can determine a bond no longer exists?
My view on the party performing the ceremony is that his sole spiritual reason for being there is as a human witness to the vows said. Granted he or she is also a witness for legal reasons as well, but am just focusing on the spiritual.
My only take on this story is that we have yet another vivid example of how an individual operating from behind a pulpit concluded that he had a clear charge and authority to determine/affirm that a marriage convenant had ended (disavowed?) in the eyes of God.
This topic makes me wonder if a significant portion AFF folks think that a preacher is the authority that establishes the joining of two people with a marriage convenant....thus making a preacher the authority that can determine a bond no longer exists?
I believe the vow is between the husband and wife. The pastor is there as a witness of that marriage and for a spiritual guide or counselor if the need arises.
However, I have been in church 25 years and have very rarely gone to any pastor I was under for guidance or counseling. I have the Holy Ghost and God is able to answer my prayers when I go to Him. He has shown that to be true, time after time. I have also prayed for my own healing.
I believe the vow is between the husband and wife. The pastor is there as a witness of that marriage and for a spiritual guide or counselor if the need arises.
However, I have been in church 25 years and have very rarely gone to any pastor I was under for guidance or counseling. I have the Holy Ghost and God is able to answer my prayers when I go to Him. He has shown that to be true, time after time. I have also prayed for my own healing.
Usually a good friend can do far more good then a formal visit to the pastors office.
This just gets more and more confusing! So now it turns out it wasn't a bikini. But did the pastor say, from the pulpit, that is was a bikini, or didn't he? About the other discrepancies, same question.
(I've been wanting to use that smilie...)
Who knows, Timmy. Things get pretty muddled after 97 pages, much less several years...
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What we make of the Bible will never be as great a thing as what the Bible will - if we let it - make of us.~Rich Mullins
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.~Galileo Galilei
Actually, as Baron pointed out earlier (oh, some 50 pages back, I don't want to go looking right now) an appeal would not bring out further information, but simply be a review by a judge of the facts found by the jury. (or something like that)
EDIT: hee hee Rule #1: Never misquote someone with a JD...
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Originally Posted by Baron1710
Just so your aware, in a jury trial juries determine what facts are true. In appeals, unless it is a de novo review, the facts are what the jury says they are and the only thing a judge can review on the appeal is the law. The facts, even if they are wrong, are what the jury determined in the first trial these are the facts that the judge(s) on appeal apply to the law. The law in the first trial was determined by the judge not the jury.
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What we make of the Bible will never be as great a thing as what the Bible will - if we let it - make of us.~Rich Mullins
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.~Galileo Galilei
Actually, as Baron pointed out earlier (oh, some 50 pages back, I don't want to go looking right now) an appeal would not bring out further information, but simply be a review by a judge of the facts found by the jury. (or something like that)
EDIT: hee hee Rule #1: Never misquote someone with a JD...
I got the impression that the attorney was more focused on the separation of church and state than the facts that were settled on.
Wife and I went to a hockey game a while back. The cheerleaders (known as the Ice Girls) have a couple of uniforms they use for different games. Here's a conversation, after a few minutes into the game.
Wife: I see the Girls are wearing their "short shorts" uniforms.
Me: Oh? I hadn't noticed.
Wife: Liar.
Me:
Wife: I like the other uniforms better, with the long pants.
Me: Me too.
But before she could say anything:
Me: Doh! That's two lies in a row!
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To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
And has no one paid attention to the fact that the prior pastor of the church was Angela's father? He adopted her at some point while pastoring this church.
My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. 
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