UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by allstate1

Get a life Charnock! Not every one has sexual motivations in things they do! Although I have run across many UPCers that seem to think that! I guess they assume that everyone thinks like them.

Since Eden, exposing nakedness has always been immodest (inappropriate) in God's eyes. In fact, it's downright shameful.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Charnock

It wouldn't matter to me if they were alone, or if they had sex. All that would matter is that she exposed herself to another man, in a calculated fashion.

If she was an Apostolic, through and through, then it was probably deliberate. I don't know anything about her as a person, though, so how do we know this wasn't the norm? Was she always Apostolic? Was she raised that way? Was she a recent convert? I agree that based on that alone, and from the assumption that she had been used to the conservative, Apostolic lifestyle, her motives could be called into question. It was outside of what was normal behavior for her, presumably. Ergo, it was questionable.

That said, I wouldn't call being seen in a bathing suit or bikini "exposing" oneself. That's usually reserved for completely undressing in front of someone, with all the parts visible. I definitely don't equate wearing a bathing suit with exposing oneself in that sense.

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by Charnock

And I wonder at men who say they would have no problem with their wife leaving them at home in favor of going to a pool with another man clothed in nothing but a bikini.

O by the way my first wife cheated on me and when she would leave the house she would have on a dress or skirt long enough to drag her tracks out!!

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Charnock

It wouldn't matter to me if they were alone, or if they had sex. All that would matter is that she exposed herself to another man, in a calculated fashion.

Her wearing a bikini was more likely calculated to be a big middle finger to her church and maybe even her husband (if they were already going through the divorce process or just had a major argument).

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by canam

Maybe they were both at the same pool coincidentally ! And were just chatting geepers creepers ! And please dont lecture me about exposing the body immodestly,not saying it was right. Im just saying!!. I hope your wife has you on an even shorter leash ,you deserve it.Pretty arrogant, good thing God doesnt feel like you about forgiveness or everyone except you would be in trouble because your perfect obviously !

Your Christian love is such a beautiful thing. Those who justify public nakedness have sin issues.

[canam]

Originally Posted by jfrog

To the rest of the world a bikini is what many women, both married and unmarried, wear to go swimming.

Rest of the world ? Since the arabs prolly out number us all, i dont think so, there is a website with modest swimwear for ladies and their bodies are totally covered.

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Her wearing a bikini was more likely calculated to be a big middle finger to her church and maybe even her husband also (if they were already going through the divorce process or just had a major argument).

Niiiccceeee.

I suppose you condone that?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Charnock

So your husband would be okay with you leaving him at home while you traipsed off in a bikini to swim with one of his male friends?

Somehow I doubt that.

I already said that he wouldn't be alright with it, and neither would I. That doesn't mean he would divorce me for making a bad decision.

If you told him your plans, it would cause a fight. If you kept the plans secret, and he found out later, he would consider it cheating.

My husband wouldn't call me a cheat unless he knew I had actually cheated. We don't know the totality of the circumstances in this case, and we don't know if a fair explanation (or even apology) was offered to the husband. As has been pointed out, we also don't know for certain that she was alone with this man, even though it seems like that could be the case.

[canam]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Your Christian love is such a beautiful thing. Those who justify public nakedness have sin issues.

Thank YOU O holy One . ten four Im out. !!!!

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

If she was an Apostolic, through and through, then it was probably deliberate. I don't know anything about her as a person, though, so how do we know this wasn't the norm? Was she always Apostolic? Was she raised that way? Was she a recent convert? I agree that based on that alone, and from the assumption that she had been used to the conservative, Apostolic lifestyle, her motives could be called into question. It was outside of what was normal behavior for her, presumably. Ergo, it was questionable.

That said, I wouldn't call being seen in a bathing suit or bikini "exposing" oneself. That's usually reserved for completely undressing in front of someone, with all the parts visible. I definitely don't equate wearing a bathing suit with exposing oneself in that sense.

I think AFF needs to revisit the concept of modesty (appropriateness).

The baby has been thrown out with the bathwater.