UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit! - Page 90

pelathais · #**891** 07-15-2010, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by drummerboy_dave

Cajun, those are some most excellent points! How people can not see this, is beyond me.

Well, I have some ideas....

Prove to me then, that she wore a two piece garment known as a "bikini" while cavorting "adulterously" with another woman's spouse.

Prove that she was guilty of "adultery" - however defined.

The woman bet $500,000 that it could NOT be proved, and won in court!

You must be drinking a very rare blend of kool-aid if you think you can do that.

Margies3 · #**892** 07-15-2010, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sherri

I don't think a bikini is modest in mixed company at all, but it sounds like the pastor in this case was trying to cover up for his daughter's relationship. Once again, a person's lifestyle (or his daughter's, in this case) tends to dictate his theology. A Christian woman in a bikini around other men is very unwise, but it's NOT adultery/fornication!

I've read most of the pages of this thread - interesting stuff. I just have one thing to say (ya right! famous last words, eh?).

I've never seen a divorce that happened because ONE party was completely at fault. My experience in life tells me that in almost every situation there is "her side", "his side" and "the whole truth". Meaning this: everybody has been finding lots of fault for this woman for wearing a bikini in front of her friend's husband. I agree. That's probably not the wisest thing she could have done. Is it fornication? No, I don't think so. But I also have to wonder what kinds of things she was having to live with in her home that would make her look outside. I have to believe there were alot more problems in this marriage than just her dress code. And I don't believe all the fault was on her side. No, I don't know that for a fact. I have nothing to really base that belief on - except life experience.

The thing that bothers me about the situation is that the pastor chose to put himself in the middle of things by handling this from the pulpit instead of in the privacy of his office with only the parties involved. I honestly don't believe that this was about him loving the sheep under his care. I believe it was about him justifying the relationship his daughter has gotten involved in. And honestly, I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear a few years from now that those two end up having problems in their relationship - just like he did in his first marriage.

drummerboy_dave · #**893** 07-15-2010, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

Prove to me then, that she wore a two piece garment known as a "bikini" while cavorting "adulterously" with another woman's spouse.

Prove that she was guilty of "adultery" - however defined.

The woman bet $500,000 that it could NOT be proved, and won in court!

You must be drinking a very rare blend of kool-aid if you think you can do that.

Prove to you what? You aren't reading correctly or something. What have you been sipping?

Hoovie · #**894** 07-15-2010, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DAII

Yep. Not one shred of evidence to this even happening yet those who claim to be conservative would liberally malign a woman who did not by any account ... including from her ex-husband or former pastor even approach the suspicion of having committed immorality ...

Mind boggling.

I don't the lines are drawn along conservative and liberal lines on this one....

perhaps those who claim unquestionable authority resides in a single pastor...

pelathais · #**895** 07-15-2010, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by drummerboy_dave

Prove to you what? You aren't reading correctly or something. What have you been sipping?

I just don't accept OC Cajun's take at all. He says:

"Therefore, wearing a bikini in the presence of a man not her husband = immodest = immoral."

But his premise has never been established. We still don't know if this women was even wearing a "bikini." And, his further grumblings, while laudable in their "apparent" intent, still seem to advance a completely unworkable method of handling marriage and divorce.

... but that would get us off the "bikini" topic of this thread.

DAII · #**896** 07-15-2010, 08:16 PM

I have seen court cases that are steeped in volumes of circumstantial evidence, and even hearsay, with multiple witnesses that could go either way.

This was a slam dunk. Preacher man, you called her a fornicator - now prove it.

Um, my future son in law and her husband says ...

drummerboy_dave · #**897** 07-15-2010, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Margies3

... I honestly don't believe that this was about him loving the sheep under his care. I believe it was about him justifying the relationship his daughter has gotten involved in...

Exactly!

Scott Hutchinson · #**898** 07-15-2010, 08:18 PM

Anyway you look at it,it's a sad situation and one should be careful what one says publicly.One can make a bad situation worse by the words they speak.

Scott Hutchinson · #**899** 07-15-2010, 08:20 PM

DA I never did get my phone call from you.I trust you and your family are doing ok ?

Pressing-On · #**900** 07-15-2010, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DAII

I have seen court cases that are steeped in volumes of circumstantial evidence, and even hearsay, with multiple witnesses that could go either way.

This was a slam dunk. Preacher man, you called her a fornicator - now prove it.

Um, my future son in law and her husband says ...

My only thing is that several people have posted that he is a kind man and not over-bearing. It just seems so confusing that he would do something like that. It's just lying and deceitfulness. It seems so polar opposite of the compliments given to him on this thread.