Is Jesus Sitting on a Throne in His Flesh?

[Rev]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Jesus is no longer sitting in HIS throne, He's sitting in HIS FATHER'S throne....two thrones there folks.

And no, He's not in His flesh suit sitting in His Father's throne.

I think you need to read this again....

(Rev 3:21) To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.


Jesus didn't sit in one throne and then move into another one.

He sat down in the throne of God.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by SteppingStone

Yes the adoption of Sonship is eternal in believers. The question isn't about us though, it's about Christ as a Son who surrenders his authority so God can be ALL in ALL...

God being "all in all" may be something that is yet future (1 Corinthians 15:25-28). There may be some "changes" yet to occur in the economy of God that will affect our various Christologies.

The "man" that was crucified and died is now "alive forever more" (Revelation 1:18). If we could inspect his "corpse" (now "alive for evermore") we should expect to find the scars from the ordeal He suffered in this life (John 20:27-28).

John records that Thomas acknowledged the risen man, Christ Jesus, as "...my Lord and my God." The apostles all "worshiped" this man as He ascended into heaven (Luke 24:51-52).

If we follow the apostle's actions we too may find ourselves worshiping a living Being Who possesses "flesh" something like the flesh we possess. There is a pretty huge caveat, however.

Jesus' "flesh" is resurrected and now glorified. As a resurrected man, His own close disciples didn't always recognize Him for some reason (Luke 24:15-31; John 20:15 and John 21:5-9).

There also appears to have been something additional that takes place after He ascends to heaven (John 20:17) that affects what we mean by "flesh." This may have simply been an admonition against "profaning" His resurrected body before He presents Himself at the altar in heaven - or there may be more to it as well. The Scripture leaves us guessing at many details here. It is wise to refrain from guessing too much, I suppose.

So, in answer to the question I'd say "yes" we do worship Jesus Christ in His "flesh" - however, that "flesh" had already undergone a pretty significant series of transformations almost 2,000 years ago. It would be incorrect at best, folly at the least, to compare what He is today with the "ordinary" product of a woman's womb.

Just IMHO, as always.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Jesus is no longer sitting in HIS throne, He's sitting in HIS FATHER'S throne....two thrones there folks.

And no, He's not in His flesh suit sitting in His Father's throne.

What do you believe happened to Christ's physical body? Is it buried somewhere?

[Aquila]

Christ will return in his glorified body to rule and reign. The dead in Christ shall arise in their glorified bodies and we who are alive and remain will be changed.

[Rev]

Originally Posted by pelathais

God being "all in all" may be something that is yet future (1 Corinthians 15:25-28). There may be some "changes" yet to occur in the economy of God that will affect our various Christologies.

The "man" that was crucified and died is now "alive forever more" (Revelation 1:18). If we could inspect his "corpse" (now "alive for evermore") we should expect to find the scars from the ordeal He suffered in this life (John 20:27-28).

John records that Thomas acknowledged the risen man, Christ Jesus, as "...my Lord and my God." The apostles all "worshiped" this man as He ascended into heaven (Luke 24:51-52).

If we follow the apostle's actions we too may find ourselves worshiping a living Being Who possesses "flesh" something like the flesh we possess. There is a pretty huge caveat, however.

Jesus' "flesh" is resurrected and now glorified. As a resurrected man, His own close disciples didn't always recognize Him for some reason (Luke 24:15-31; John 20:15 and John 21:5-9).

There also appears to have been something additional that takes place after He ascends to heaven (John 20:17) that affects what we mean by "flesh." This may have simply been an admonition against "profaning" His resurrected body before He presents Himself at the altar in heaven - or there may be more to it as well. The Scripture leaves us guessing at many details here. It is wise to refrain from guessing too much, I suppose.

So, in answer to the question I'd say "yes" we do worship Jesus Christ in His "flesh" - however, that "flesh" had already undergone a pretty significant series of transformations almost 2,000 years ago. It would be incorrect at best, folly at the least, to compare what He is today with the "ordinary" product of a woman's womb.

Just IMHO, as always.

That's well said!

Do you think these scriptures are symbolic of the same thing?

(Heb 10:19) Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
(Heb 10:20) By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

(Mat 27:51) And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Aquila

What do you believe happened to Christ's physical body? Is it buried somewhere?

It was changed. It's the body He had upon ascending to His, and Mary's, God.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Rev

I think you need to read this again....

(Rev 3:21) To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.


Jesus didn't sit in one throne and then move into another one.

He sat down in the throne of God.

According to Jesus, He (Jesus) had "my throne" and His Father had "His throne". That's two thrones....*MY* throne and *HIS* throne. The Father's throne was not Jesus' throne and Jesus' throne was not His Father's throne. Jesus was simply given the privilege, by His Father, of sitting on His Father's throne.

Jesus sat down on the throne of His, and Mary's, God and Father that He ascended to after His resurrection.

[SteppingStone]

Originally Posted by pelathais

God being "all in all" may be something that is yet future (1 Corinthians 15:25-28). There may be some "changes" yet to occur in the economy of God that will affect our various Christologies.

The "man" that was crucified and died is now "alive forever more" (Revelation 1:18). If we could inspect his "corpse" (now "alive for evermore") we should expect to find the scars from the ordeal He suffered in this life (John 20:27-28).

John records that Thomas acknowledged the risen man, Christ Jesus, as "...my Lord and my God." The apostles all "worshiped" this man as He ascended into heaven (Luke 24:51-52).

If we follow the apostle's actions we too may find ourselves worshiping a living Being Who possesses "flesh" something like the flesh we possess. There is a pretty huge caveat, however.

Jesus' "flesh" is resurrected and now glorified. As a resurrected man, His own close disciples didn't always recognize Him for some reason (Luke 24:15-31; John 20:15 and John 21:5-9).

There also appears to have been something additional that takes place after He ascends to heaven (John 20:17) that affects what we mean by "flesh." This may have simply been an admonition against "profaning" His resurrected body before He presents Himself at the altar in heaven - or there may be more to it as well. The Scripture leaves us guessing at many details here. It is wise to refrain from guessing too much, I suppose.

So, in answer to the question I'd say "yes" we do worship Jesus Christ in His "flesh" - however, that "flesh" had already undergone a pretty significant series of transformations almost 2,000 years ago. It would be incorrect at best, folly at the least, to compare what He is today with the "ordinary" product of a woman's womb.

Just IMHO, as always.

Hey Pel thanks for your response:

From 1 Cor 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet.
That's past tense.
NIV: 27 For he "has put everything under his feet."
Still past tense.

He said he had all power prior to his last ascension so it's clear he conquered everything, including death. He holds the keys to death and hell.

The Word of God (Rhema--Utterance) itself is sitting in the place of authority and judgment.

How does Flesh = Spirit & Life?

[Hoovie]

Stepper, Somehow I feel this discussion, for you, is representative of much more than whether Christ still has a glorified body... hmmm....

[SteppingStone]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Stepper, Somehow I feel this discussion, for you, is representative of much more than whether Christ still has a glorified body... hmmm....

Jesus said, unless we eat his flesh and drink his blood we have no part in him. And many walked away. Then he turned to his disciples and asked if they were gonna leave also. Peter replied, Where are we gonna go? You have the WORDS of Eternal LIFE.

Jesus also said he was the Bread of Life. Shall we look for wafers in heaven? No, his Words are Spirit and Life.

Jesus is typed as the tree of life, do people walk up to this tree in heaven and eat flesh? Is this tree producing figs? No, this tree is producing THE WORDS OF LIFE...

So again I ask the question, how does Flesh equate to Spirit & Life?