Is Jesus Sitting on a Throne in His Flesh?

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Originally Posted by mental

Interesting. How's that?

I made my original notes about the issue quite some time ago and have them posted on my website after having researched the net and found the article I quoted from to you today.

Check it out:

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...14&postcount=5

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Brother Blume the first part of pneumatikos is pneuma which means breath, spirit, or wind. It means spiritual, and can be applied to define men, or things that are spiritual.

Right.

If we call Brother Blume a spiritual man, it is not something physical on him, but something that would be in him.

I think it would rather mean a person was spiritually inclined and even thought from the perspective of the spirit. As you say, it does not deal with what he is materially made of. So the SPIRITUAL BODY would not be a body materially made of spirit rather than flesh. The IKOS suffix makes it an issue of what it is driven by.

If spiritual is being contrasted from natural, and the root is spirit -- something invisible -- then it is not something non-physical contrasted from something physical. Natural life is as invisible as spiritual life is.

Part of the rational mind, and not something we can inspect by materialism. Spirit/pneuma means something that is invisible, and unseen. God is a spirit, those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and truth. God is unseen.

Right. But the invisible Spirit empowers the physical power rather than nature so it is called a spiritual body. The Spirit is unseen. But if that Spirit guides a person, that person is spiritual. Like Vincent said, "Spiritual body (σώμα πνευματικόν)" is "A body in which a divine πνεῦμα spirit supersedes the ψυχή soul."

It is not saying a spiritual body is invisible, but rather is driven by that which is invisible.

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I just copied and pasted mental's words and mine in another new thread entitled: The Spiritual Body -- Physical or Non-Physical? as per Praxeas' request.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

It is not saying a spiritual body is invisible, but rather is driven by that which is invisible.

Brother Blume, you are trying to make your own definition through the filter of your theology. Brother Blume just as a glass container is made of glass, and a metal container is made of metal, so is a spirit body made of spirit. Meaning that it is pneuma, a breath, spirit, wind, not driven by the breath spirit and wind, but complied by those elements. You being a spiritual man yet being driven by a spiritual invisible force. Yet, you want the Greek to mean that the spiritual body is something physical that one can see plainly with the human eye. This is the opposite of what you have posted to me. If you being a spiritual man driven by the invisible, how can a spiritual body now be physical. Shopping for answers in Lexicons, and dictionaries cannot replace the obvious, pneuma means the invisible and unseen. Building your case of the word "body" cannot escape just what kind of body it is, and that is invisible, and unseen.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

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Let's take this to the other thread as well. Thanks!

[Evang.Benincasa]

I was having a discussion with a priest, and he tried to explain the Trinity. He said that God is the essence and that essence is poured into three different containers. One the Father, the second, is the Son, and the third is the Holy Ghost. Three separate containers which hold portions from the one essence. Now, it gets a little sketchy on how these three live up in heaven.

The priest went on to say; heaven is a physical place where these three beings exist. So, there is one physical throne and only one sits in it. Why because the Father doesn't have a form, because He is a Spirit, and a spirit has not flesh and bone, neither does the Holy Ghost. So, Jesus is the only one who has a flesh and bone body, and therefore has a physical throne.

Mormons try to explain the same thing, yet they have two persons who have flesh and bone, and the Holy Ghost is a spirit and therefore unseen. They have no God that exists outside the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, due to not only are all individuals separate from one another, they are all separate gods. Satan also is part of this group, and he is the brother of the son and is himself a son.

Jehovah Witnesses believe that there is Jehovah who is the God, and the Son who is Jehovah's first created son, which was first created as an angel, and arch angel. This arch angel was sent by Jehovah to be crucified and die for the sins of the world. He then physically cleanses the sanctuary in heaven in 1844.

All three of these groups believe in a physical body or bodies inhabiting the heavens.

Isn't Biblically the Body of Christ called the church?

When Jesus stops Paul on the road to Damascus, didn't Jesus tell Paul that Paul was personally persecuting Jesus Himself? When in truth, it was the multiple membered body of the Church? Didn't Paul also teach that the Body wasn't one member, but a multiple membered body made up of the saints of God? Paul also taught that we are Christ's flesh and His bones.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I was having a discussion with a priest, and he tried to explain the Trinity. He said that God is the essence and that essence is poured into three different containers. One the Father, the second, is the Son, and the third is the Holy Ghost. Three separate containers which hold portions from the one essence. Now, it gets a little sketchy on how these three live up in heaven.

The priest went on to say; heaven is a physical place where these three beings exist. So, there is one physical throne and only one sits in it. Why because the Father doesn't have a form, because He is a Spirit, and a spirit has not flesh and bone, neither does the Holy Ghost. So, Jesus is the only one who has a flesh and bone body, and therefore has a physical throne.

Mormons try to explain the same thing, yet they have two persons who have flesh and bone, and the Holy Ghost is a spirit and therefore unseen. They have no God that exists outside the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, due to not only are all individuals separate from one another, they are all separate gods. Satan also is part of this group, and he is the brother of the son and is himself a son.

Jehovah Witnesses believe that there is Jehovah who is the God, and the Son who is Jehovah's first created son, which was first created as an angel, and arch angel. This arch angel was sent by Jehovah to be crucified and die for the sins of the world. He then physically cleanses the sanctuary in heaven in 1844.

All three of these groups believe in a physical body or bodies inhabiting the heavens.

Isn't Biblically the Body of Christ called the church?

When Jesus stops Paul on the road to Damascus, didn't Jesus tell Paul that Paul was personally persecuting Jesus Himself? When in truth, it was the multiple membered body of the Church? Didn't Paul also teach that the Body wasn't one member, but a multiple membered body made up of the saints of God? Paul also taught that we are Christ's flesh and His bones.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Why thank you kind and gentle sir.

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The logical fallacy of this argument, Bro Benincasa, misses the idea that a wife being the body of a man does not preclude the fact that the man still has a personal body of arms legs at the same time.

[BroGary]

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

The same "flesh and bones" resurrected Jesus will return.