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Old 07-22-2010, 06:02 PM
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Festus United Liberty South West University.

Hold on, let me look that up.

That's the "mystery," "controversy" and the fact that there's always something "to it" that I'm referring to. Those three adjectives aren't all-encompassing for this situation, but the situation with degrees and UPC theologians in general. And yes, there's certainly "something to it." South African University via Austin, TX??

Most reputable higher learning institutions aren't just about people who show up and prove how much they know. It's people who show up, learn a heck of a lot, toil through the process, and then articulate in a way that shows their learning, etc.

BTW, anyone know what his thesis was on? That would be neat to see.
Again, how do you know he didn't "learn a heck of a lot"?

According to the website, they are assigned a program of study and it's a 2 year endeaver
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Again, how do you know he didn't "learn a heck of a lot"?

According to the website, they are assigned a program of study and it's a 2 year endeaver
Most doctoral dissertation take 1 to 3 years so 2 years means nothing here.
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C'mon Prax...Really? No Mystery to why a guy who could choose any school he wanted in the US would go to South Africa?

His theological education is seriously deficient compared to someone like Dan Segraves.

There is nothing in the PhD program that says he needed to do anything but prepare a Thesis.
No secret that Segraves spanks Bernard in paper after paper ... and does it so congenially.

He still remains the most notable and respected Oneness apologist and yet finds a doctoral program that does not put him smack dab in the arena of ideas among notable seminarians or cohorts.

No doubt there is an advisor in this doctoral process.

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C'mon Prax...Really? No Mystery to why a guy who could choose any school he wanted in the US would go to South Africa?

His theological education is seriously deficient compared to someone like Dan Segraves.

There is nothing in the PhD program that says he needed to do anything but prepare a Thesis.
Im sure it's a "mystery" as to why you chose the school you did. I refer rather to the over all "evil conspiratorial" tone these discussions take as though and yes I know you did not say it was a degree mill, he bought a degree without having to do or prove anything.

According to the website candidates are assigned a program of study. It's a 2 year endeaver and of course he has to prove his proficiency in the field of choice. That is a far cry from days gone by flogging you gave to LS and the other guy.

I don't think we need to use the terms to characterize DKB with suspicion

For students who hold an appropriate MTh degree or an equivalent qualifi cation
The curriculum comprises a thesis on an approved topic. Before students may submit the thesis for examination, they must complete to the
satisfaction of the College a prescribed study programme in the chosen subject and/or another theological and/or non-theological subject(s);

provided that the College may exempt students from the study programme depending on their previous studies and the topic for the
projected thesis.
(2) For students who in exceptional cases are admitted by Senate to doctoral studies by virtue of a BD degree or an equivalent qualification
(see Rule PTh 22 above)
(a) The curriculum comprises a thesis on an approved topic and a doctoral examination in the subject in which the thesis is presented;
provided that the College may also prescribe a doctoral examination(s) in another theological and/or non-theological subject(s)
depending on the student’s previous studies and the topic for the projected thesis.
(b) The doctoral examination(s) must be passed before the thesis may be submitt ed for examination.
(3) The degree will be conferred in the subject in which the thesis is presented.

PTh25 Language requirement
(1) There are no compulsory language requirements for students enrolling for the DTh in Old Testament, New Testament or Biblical Studies.
Relevant ancient languages (such as Classical Hebrew or Greek) are, however, strongly recommended. Depending on the field of research, a
supervisor may expect a student to acquire the necessary competency in a language (or languages), or to enroll formally for one or more of these
ancient languages.

(2) Students who enroll for the DTh in Church History or Religious Studies must be able to prove their proficiency in the relevant language(s) if
the Chair of the department concerned deems it necessary with a view to the proposed fi eld of study.
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Most doctoral dissertation take 1 to 3 years so 2 years means nothing here.
Sure, but my point again here is that he is not getting a degree overnight. He isn't just writting a 1000 word book report and bingo! Degree.
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Praxeas one would think this clause most likely applies to DKB:

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provided that the College may exempt students from the study programme depending on their previous studies and the topic for the
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Not sure how many Oneness papers they get.

Would add credibility if the paper had to be presented and defended.
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Im sure it's a "mystery" as to why you chose the school you did. I refer rather to the over all "evil conspiratorial" tone these discussions take as though and yes I know you did not say it was a degree mill, he bought a degree without having to do or prove anything.

According to the website candidates are assigned a program of study. It's a 2 year endeaver and of course he has to prove his proficiency in the field of choice. That is a far cry from days gone by flogging you gave to LS and the other guy.

I don't think we need to use the terms to characterize DKB with suspicion
Prax take a look at what Dan Segraves went through to get his PhD.

"The Doctor of Philosophy program will take 4 to 7 years to complete, depending on how long the student takes to complete the dissertation. Coursework can usually be finished in 2.5 - 3.5 years."
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Prax take a look at what Dan Segraves went through to get his PhD.

"The Doctor of Philosophy program will take 4 to 7 years to complete, depending on how long the student takes to complete the dissertation. Coursework can usually be finished in 2.5 - 3.5 years."
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Sure, but my point again here is that he is not getting a degree overnight. He isn't just writting a 1000 word book report and bingo! Degree.
Never said he did. What I am challenging is a back door way to a PhD. He did not have to go through what he would have had to to get an accredited PhD from an American school.
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Big fish ... little pond syndrome ... may very well be another underlying issue here.
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