Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by rdp

Of course you would say that...."the carnal mind is not subject to the things of God, neither indeed CAN BE."

So because you didn't make sense, I must be carnally-minded?

Shall I bow prostrate before you when I respond? Is that adequate reverence?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

They aren't being LITERALLY exchanged. We still adorn ourselves smart guy. Women still brush their glory, shop for pretty clothing, groom themselves, make themselves smell good, vaseline the eyes, pinch the cheeks, look for colors that accent their eyes...

Christian women do not 'look for colors that accent their eyes' [if you're refferring to make-up, that is], since we don't paint God's temple [not that I expect you to understand that principle].

It's impossible to not adorn ourselves.

Yes, so long as it's not w/ the artificiality of worldly ornamentation....just as Paul & peter both stated!


rdp
First what does rdp stand for? Just wandering nothing more. I want to comend you for responding to everyone that post to you I am being complimentery just so you know.

Now I have a question. Correct me if I am mistaken, it is ok to adorn ourselves as long as it is not with the artificial ornamentation of the world? That just does not compute.
Women can still brush their glory, shop for pretty clothing, groom themselves, make themselves smell good, vaseline the eyes, pinch the cheeks, look for colors that accent their eyes...

But they can't wear Gold, pearls or costly array? I think you better look at this scripture again.
1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

Honestly, I can't understand for the life of me how you quote & even underline these articles, then immediately turn around & effectually say, "But it's okay to wear the articles that Paul explicity enumerated?????" Not being ugly, just can't comprehend that one iota [whatever an 'iota' is]. The difference between brushing hair & grooming themselves vs. decorative ornamentation is not even in the same ballfield....not to mention never spoken against by the apostles.

How then do you justify the price of clothes women spend and I take it you must require women to put thier hair up in a skin tight bun, anything else would be sin by your definition of this passage.

Of course I don't require that our women wear tight buns on their head! I do not put unnecessary burdens upon God's people...but where God speaks in His Word, I'm safe to do the same, as in I Tim. 2 & I Ptr. 3.

Now I don't know if you pastor or attend a church that teaches against these things. I just know I was raised where the double standards were so prevalent, women did not cut thier hair but they permed it to make it look shorter. They did not wear makeup per say but then they would do other things to make themselve look good as long as it was not worldly makeup bought in a store. They would even pluck their eye brows and any number of other things.

No we do not perm our hair or wear make-up. However, we do have an obligation to make the temple of God presentable/decent, yet not ornamental. Regarding plucking the eyebrows, we have no Scripture to condemn the practice as we clearly do ornamentation. Having said that, however, I have seen some Apostolic women get carried away w/ this as well....& yes, we are entirely against that also.
To me this is like Christian cussing. darn instead of damm, shoot instead of s--- , frigging instead of ... well you know what I am saying. If it is sin to say one thing it is sin to say the other. What I am saying is this either you live by all of it as you preach or you understand you are not understanding what the writer is saying. Simple as that.

Oh, I understand quite well. I'm not the one who can't seemingly comprehend the meaning of "not with gold, pearls, or costly array." Spare me the eating/talking routine pls...........

You keep refering to the greek on some things then you want to come back to the english when you quote "not"

1Pe 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;

Again you make so much of the wearing of gold and over look the braiding of the hair and wearing apparel. Oh wait I know you have delt with the apparel, that is when you refer to the greek.

Ughhh, the word "not" is in the greek, which is why it's in the English! No, we do not braid our hair....the Bible says "NO," & we believe/obey the Bible.

Well here is a news flash, if God is not willing to perish then he did not make his word so hard you had to be a greek scholar to understand how to be saved and stay saved.

Yes, good point, & it's all right there in the English...."not with gold, pearls, or costly array."

[Maximilian]

The difference between brushing hair & grooming themselves vs. decorative ornamentation is not even in the same ballfield....not to mention never spoken against by the apostles.

Is it really all so different? Hair styles and grooming are quite synonymous with adornment. I don't see these as lightyears apart as you are attempting to make them.

Of course I don't require that our women wear tight buns on their head! I do not put unnecessary burdens upon God's people...but where God speaks in His Word, I'm safe to do the same, as in I Tim. 2 & I Ptr. 3.

No we do not perm our hair or wear make-up. However, we do have an obligation to make the temple of God presentable/decent, yet not ornamental. Regarding plucking the eyebrows, we have no Scripture to condemn the practice as we clearly do ornamentation. Having said that, however, I have seen some Apostolic women get carried away w/ this as well....& yes, we are entirely against that also.
To me this is like Christian cussing. darn instead of damm, shoot instead of s--- , frigging instead of ... well you know what I am saying. If it is sin to say one thing it is sin to say the other. What I am saying is this either you live by all of it as you preach or you understand you are not understanding what the writer is saying. Simple as that.

Oh, I understand quite well. I'm not the one who can't seemingly comprehend the meaning of "not with gold, pearls, or costly array." Spare me the eating/talking routine pls...........

Ughhh, the word "not" is in the greek, which is why it's in the English! No, we do not braid our hair....the Bible says "NO," & we believe/obey the Bible.

LOL

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

RDP

Are you against wrist rings that tell time?(watches) wedding bands? Ties? colorful outfits for the sisters

We do not watches/wedding bands...as Scripture clearly condemns jewelry/ornamentation on the temple of God.

I do not like the Pentecostal fashion shows that we often see in camp-meetings. I believe they're violating the principle of external holiness, not to mention the costly apparel. However, there's no Scripture condemning conservative attire, such as ties, scarves on a woman's head, etc., though I do believe that one can also get carried away w/ this as well. We should be there to see folks transformed into the image of Christ/delivered from vices that hold them down/gain doctrinal understanding/etc....not to vaunt ourselves.

Listen folks, just so you understand, we do not teach that one has to look like you stepped off of an oatmeal box, or just come in from the hoeing the garden. We believe that we have a responsibility to look presentable/neat, yet not ornamental/decorative, as this serves as a distraction from the indwelling glory of God.

Had enough...studying many different things right now...blessings anyway. May check in periodically, as time allows....rdp.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Is it really all so different? Hair styles and grooming are quite synonymous with adornment. I don't see these as lightyears apart as you are attempting to make them.

Ughh, did you not read that there's NO SCRIPTURE forbidding these things...therefore, we do not place unneccesary burdens on our people [at least I don't].











LOL

Is it okay to smoke cigarettes/marajuana [sp]? Scripture pls.:___________? You should learn about principles of holiness [won't hold my breath], & quit looking for loopholes to God's Word [remember that bit about "legalisms"]. "LOL" indeed!

Signing off for a while...got business to take care of.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

So because you didn't make sense, I must be carnally-minded?

Shall I bow prostrate before you when I respond? Is that adequate reverence?

So, because you cannot comprehend a very plain sentence...suddenly I'm consigned off to "bum" land??? Tooo funny!

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by rdp

We do not watches/wedding bands...as Scripture clearly condemns jewelry/ornamentation on the temple of God.

I do not like the Pentecostal fashion shows that we often see in camp-meetings. I believe they're violating the principle of external holiness, not to mention the costly apparel. However, there's no Scripture condemning conservative attire, such as ties, scarves on a woman's head, etc., though I do believe that one can also get carried away w/ this as well. We should be there to see folks transformed into the image of Christ/delivered from vices that hold them down/gain doctrinal understanding/etc....not to vaunt ourselves.

Listen folks, just so you understand, we do not teach that one has to look like you stepped off of an oatmeal box, or just come in from the hoeing the garden. We believe that we have a responsibility to look presentable/neat, yet not ornamental/decorative, as this serves as a distraction from the indwelling glory of God.

Had enough...studying many different things right now...blessings anyway. May check in periodically, as time allows....rdp.

rdp, does our modern world see suits, neckties, and other wall street worldy attire as costly? Would people think I was rich in the neighborhood I grew up in for wearing a 3-piece suit?

No watches? Hey, at least your consistent. I could imagine it getting lonely at times when you see yourself on the short bus to heaven, shaking hands with false brethren who violate God's holiness with their ornamentation.

You said the term "external holiness." Where does that come from? What does that look like? Does that mean I can make myself holy?

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by rdp

So, because you cannot comprehend a very plain sentence...suddenly I'm consigned off to "bum" land??? Tooo funny!

May have been plain to you.

But yeah, it made no sense to myself. I wasn't alone either. The purpose of writing is to communicate, which is an outward dynamic.

[ashley123]

As a woman in mordern time, i don't agree with the view the women should be condemned. Everyone desires beauty and fashion, especially women. It is nomal that women wear handbags,perfume and other accessories.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

rdp, does our modern world see suits, neckties, and other wall street worldy attire as costly? Would people think I was rich in the neighborhood I grew up in for wearing a 3-piece suit?

I become all things to all men...". I would not wear a suit to a deprived neighborhood. Besides, as I've indicated before, my "suits" cost no more than $60....from Wal-Mart.

No watches? Hey, at least your consistent. I could imagine it getting lonely at times when you see yourself on the short bus to heaven, shaking hands with false brethren who violate God's holiness with their ornamentation.

God will be their Judge in eternity, but yes, many are very, very inconsistent in these matters. However, it would be a logical fallacy to suggest that inconsistency is tantamount to invalidation [Non-Sequiter]. Some folks claim genuine repentace from sin, yet we fruit otherwise, does this mean that we should stop preaching repentance? No.

You said the term "external holiness." Where does that come from? What does that look like? Does that mean I can make myself holy?

I Cor. 7:1 says that we should perfect holiness in both spirit [internally] & flesh [externally]. Our "holiness" derives from His Holy Spirit w/in.....which, if allowed to truly be Lord will manifest itself outwardly, as well as inwardly.