Why Acts 2:38?

[corvet786c]

Why not acts 2:38??

[DAII]

Originally Posted by corvet786c

Why not acts 2:38??

Every Christian I know believes and has obeyed Acts 2:38. They believe all of the Word.

The misdirection comes from those who believe their monopolistic paradigm to be an exclusive members-only card.

I find subsequent sermons and "first hand" accounts by Peter where he preaches or summarized the Gospel in Acts 3, 4, and 10, 11, and 15 ...

I even find Peter in Acts 3:19 EXPLICITLY CLARIFYING when our sins our washed:
Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out ...

I don't find the 20th century devised template repeated in the same manner subsequently either.

And yet nowhere also do I find the following:

- A doctrine of essential and efficacious baptismal invocation ...

nor that a proper baptism must be precise and have the right verbal formulation to be saved.

But rather a clear bible-based understanding that "in the name of the Lord" is not a line to be parroted but by the authority and power of the person, Jesus Christ ... (who is mighty to save).

Titles invoked of the SAME multi-faceted God or the transliterated proper name of Iesous verbalized ... or not ... they have all been baptized in His name upon the confession of their faith in Him. Salvation does not hang on a 3rd party witness or officiator of baptism. Salvation hung on the Cross.

- Nor that glossalia must accompany the gift of the Holy Ghost (which is eternal life)

IN ORDER TO BE SAVED.

That given ... the denial that the Acts 2:38 Water and Spirit doctrine has become an automated, mass-produced process is VERY EVIDENT IN THE BORAT CASE ...

The man repeated after Godwin ... and then spoke in the tongues he was instructed to ... while some rejoiced to his salvation with unbridled, wild ecstasy.

I've been around Oneness Pentecost for over three decades and saw this type of UNBIBLICAL forced "birthing" too many times ....

To deny that altars have become a three step "soul wash" with little concern to the genuine article, but rather a trophy of accumulated soul widgets, is evident every time I get on Facebook on a Sunday evening with posts like:

12 HG and 8 H20

is to deny the reckless arrogance of those drunk with their religious exclusivity ... parading their circumcision and pedigree.

In the Apostolic letters, I find the apostles not reporting salvations in this way .... not once ... WHY NOT?????

This is not the how the 1st century church taught or spoke about salvation. It's re-packaged judaizing.

Demand and require all the outward you like to the letter of your law ... but that does not change the Word or how God has approached His children:

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

[*AQuietPlace*]

DA took the words out of my mouth - All Christians believe in Acts 2:38. I even saw it on the billboard of a church near me that is not OP.

They believe that you must repent, and you must be baptized. Only very fringe groups don't believe that. And they believe that when they do so, God fills them with his spirit, as promised.

Of course, the discussion/argument centers around when and how God fills them with his spirit. But all Christians believe in Acts 2:38.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Why did Peter respond to those men whose hearts were pricked when they were told that they crucified the Christ? When the men asked him what must we do? Why did Peter tell them what he told them as recorded in Acts 2:38?

Why did Peter tell them to repent, be baptized, and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit

Do two things and receive one.

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Acts 2:38 contains only TWO commands/instructions to the hearers, the third "command" is not a command or instruction to obey at all, but is a gift from God. These commands are things that we can actually do within our own power of choice, or reject to do, namely 1)repent and 2)be baptized.

It is beyond our power and ability to receive the Holy Ghost, only God can give it. As for those who defend the doctrine of "seeking" what say ye about
Luke 11:11-13?

"If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if [he ask] a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?"

Pretty clear to me.

[Aquila]

Peter obeyed the Great Commission.

[mfblume]

Great post. Another way of asking this is "IF THE QUESTION HAS NOT CHANGED, WHY CHANGE THE ANSWER?"

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Why did Peter respond to those men whose hearts were pricked when they were told that they crucified the Christ? When the men asked him what must we do? Why did Peter tell them what he told them as recorded in Acts 2:38?

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Why not tell them the things some are told every Sunday, like this one,

"God, I know that I am a sinner. I know that I deserve the consequences of my sin. However, I am trusting in Jesus Christ as my Savior. I believe that His death and resurrection provided for my forgiveness. I trust in Jesus and Jesus alone as my personal Lord and Savior. Thank you Lord, for saving me and forgiving me! Amen!" http://www.gotquestions.org/sinners-prayer.html

Why did Peter tell them to repent, be baptized, and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit instead of having them recite the sinner's prayer or something like it?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Great post. Another way of asking this is "IF THE QUESTION HAS NOT CHANGED, WHY CHANGE THE ANSWER?"

But, the question isn't, "what must I do to be saved" as many make it.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

But, the question isn't, "what must I do to be saved" as many make it.

It must be. The context continue sot say that WITH MANY OTHER WORDS Peter told them to save themselves from that untoward generation. That means the words already cited, along with others, regarded salvation.

Act 2:40 KJV And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

What we have recorded is the SUMMARY of how to be "saved".

Jamieson, Fausset and Brown:

Act 2:40
with many other words did he testify and exhort — Thus we have here but a summary of Peter’s discourse; though from the next words it would seem that only the more practical parts, the home appeals, are omitted.

Save yourselves from this untoward generation — as if Peter already foresaw the hopeless impenitence of the nation at large, and would have his hearers hasten in for themselves and secure their own salvation.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by mfblume

It must be. The context continue sot say that WITH MANY OTHER WORDS Peter told them to save themselves from that untoward generation. That means the words already cited, along with others, regarded salvation.

Act 2:40 KJV And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

What we have recorded is the SUMMARY of how to be "saved".

Jamieson, Fausset and Brown:

Act 2:40
with many other words did he testify and exhort — Thus we have here but a summary of Peter’s discourse; though from the next words it would seem that only the more practical parts, the home appeals, are omitted.

Save yourselves from this untoward generation — as if Peter already foresaw the hopeless impenitence of the nation at large, and would have his hearers hasten in for themselves and secure their own salvation.

Acts 2:40 says to "save yourselves", I don't think that heaven or hell salvation is ever spoken of anywhere else in the bible with the term "save yourself." So what does it mean to save yourselves from this untoward generation?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Acts 2:40 says to "save yourselves", I don't think that heaven or hell salvation is ever spoken of anywhere else in the bible with the term "save yourself." So what does it mean to save yourselves from this untoward generation?

It is a manner of speaking, and regards salvation nonetheless.

They must secure their own salvation. That does not mean we are saved by works, but means we must secure to ourselves the salvation God provided by grace through faith by doing our part in the covenant. Every covenant has a part for both parties to play. This manner of speaking simply focused on the listeners' part.

Would you claim it is not about salvation? Why?