HMD, Coon & DKB recognize past failures

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Sherri

The website for DKB's daughter work church downtown doesn't even look UPC at all. I was a little confused when I saw it, knowing how harsh he had been in the past. It's been several months since I looked at it, so I don't know what's on there now.

Hmmm ... I'd have to check it out ... It's probably one of those relevant "bait and switch" apostolic church websites ... you hook them first ... then clean and skin them later.




Personally I prefer the truth in advertising churches ... like the New England church that posted this:

[geekette]

Originally Posted by DAII

BTW, Mike ... a recent straw poll on one of the masonic preacher forums shows that only about half believe that a woman wearing pants is a heaven or hell issue ... but more than 75% believe a woman cutting her hair is salvational ....

Hair is sacrosanct in this culture .... when the General Superintendent admits the laying of hair is a legitimate form of liturgy if it is used to remind God of consecration and used to "focus" faith.

The WPF would triple just by the exodus of these forum pastors if they touched a woman's hair ... and tried to change this extrabiblical holimess rule.

Dan, have you considered editing and publishing your work on the holy magic hair doctrine? Like in a book? As it is, if I knew some young sociologist or anthropologist of religion, someone who was looking for a Ph.D dissertation topic, I'd recommend HMH--there's a lot here to explore.

As it is, I have long (trimmed) hair and every other day here in Arizona I want to take a pair of scissors to it and whack it off due to the heat. (I've felt this way every summer since I started growing it back out again four years ago.) And then I remember my mom's voice: "You'll miss it." Yep. I would.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by geekette

Dan, have you considered editing and publishing your work on the holy magic hair doctrine? Like in a book? As it is, if I knew some young sociologist or anthropologist of religion, someone who was looking for a Ph.D dissertation topic, I'd recommend HMH--there's a lot here to explore.

As it is, I have long (trimmed) hair and every other day here in Arizona I want to take a pair of scissors to it and whack it off due to the heat. (I've felt this way every summer since I started growing it back out again four years ago.) And then I remember my mom's voice: "You'll miss it." Yep. I would.

I have thought of writing a book about it ... yet I'd hate that to be my first book.

There is a lot here to explore, agreed ... a sociologist would have a buffet.

[geekette]

Originally Posted by DAII

Hmmm ... I'd have to check it out ... It's probably one of those relevant "bait and switch" apostolic church websites ... you hook them first ... then clean and skin them later.

I believe this is the church:

http://www.kerygma.org/
(kerygma = preaching)

They have services two Sundays out of four in the month. The other two, apparently they go out and do good deeds in the community.

Personally I prefer the truth in advertising churches ... like the New England church that posted this:

I don't think I'll show this to the pastor's wife at the church I've attended lately. She dresses very sharply and wouldn't meet this criterion. (What church is this, Dan?)

[DAII]

Originally Posted by geekette

I believe this is the church:

http://www.kerygma.org/
(kerygma = preaching)

They have services two Sundays out of four in the month. The other two, apparently they go out and do good deeds in the community.


I don't think I'll show this to the pastor's wife at the church I've attended lately. She dresses very sharply and wouldn't meet this criterion. (What church is this, Dan?)

Ah, this is pastored by one of the up and coming mentees ... Binion ... a graduate of UGST and youth pastor at New Life.

http://www.ugst.org/page.cfm?p=300

Their church article of faith on Salvation is very odd and non-Bernardesque and even non-UPCI ...

Salvation

Salvation comes by grace through faith based on the reconciling sacrifice of Jesus Christ (Romans 3:23-25; Romans 6:23; Ephesians 2:8-9).

Although their Gospel article does say:

"We obey the gospel (2 Thessalonians 1:8; 1 Peter 4:17) by an initial and continued lifestyle of repentance (a change of worldview or death to sin), water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ (burial to our sin), receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit (resurrection) (1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Acts 2:4, 37-39; Romans 6:3-4), and living a life of continual repentance."

Seems like it was very intentional in its placement.

Binion wrote a symposium paper on the use of digital media to reach the "emerging culture" ... methinks it's part of a marketing ploy, personally. Although interesting to see that Bernard's local church has birthed what many would deem as an "emerging church" just because of their non-traditional website.

He writes,

As we are planting a church in downtown Austin, Texas, we recognize the relevance of this discussion. We plan to use the next ten years as a hypothesis, “Can the Apostolic Church disciple a generation with integrated emerging technologies amidst decentralized institutions?” We think we can, but it will only happen if we (1) use the tools that are before us, coupled with (2) a very consistent set of values tethered, with (3) a commitment for community theological development. The door-knocking of yesterday is the social network of today. The decentralized nature of our cities demands integrated technology, and our websites must become more than proclaimers of programs and calendars, but conduits for identity development.

Source: http://www.ugst.org/uploaded/Symposi...nse_Binion.pdf

Binion has also participated in local STX district events geared towards "progressive churches"

I will try to find the church that published that "modesty" image, for you.

[geekette]

Originally Posted by DAII

I have thought of writing a book about it ... yet I'd hate that to be my first book.

There is a lot here to explore, agreed ... a sociologist would have a buffet.

You could start with "Customs of the Scilotsopa" (spell it backwards) and work up to HMH.

[DAII]

Geekette ... here is the original post .... not sure if the image is still posted:

Originally Posted by Apocrypha

Im not attacking or praising... but it certainly is a ... unique advertising strategy to put it on your churches webpage

http://www.bostonupc.org/message.php?topicID=9753&

also under the "info center" holiness chart tab

[geekette]

Originally Posted by DAII

Ah, this is pastored by one of the up and coming mentees ... Binion ... a graduate of UGST and youth pastor at New Life.

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Binion wrote a symposium paper on the use of digital media to reach the "emerging culture" ... methinks it's part of a marketing ploy personally.

Maybe Austin's changed since I moved away in 1994 but I can't imagine marketing is going to overcome the existing drawbacks. There are so many other Spirit-filled churches in town (I went to a few back in the day) and they don't make the kind of demands on one's person that UPC-affiliated churches do. Granted, some people (including me at age 17) liked having the rules spelled out, but as I also learned, if the rules don't make sense, then that can cause problems as well.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by geekette

Maybe Austin's changed since I moved away in 1994 but I can't imagine marketing is going to overcome the existing drawbacks. There are so many other Spirit-filled churches in town (I went to a few back in the day) and they don't make the kind of demands on one's person that UPC-affiliated churches do. Granted, some people (including me at age 17) liked having the rules spelled out, but as I also learned, if the rules don't make sense, then that can cause problems as well.

Yeah, the Austin crowd is savvy ... and would smell a farce when they see it ... if they want Water and Spirit doctrine without the ecclesiastical garb they could always run over to Kenneth Phillips' Promiseland or Rex Johnson's.

I understand Rex has or had a smoking section just outside the church to accommodate those who might need a puff/drag.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by DAII

Hmmm ... I'd have to check it out ... It's probably one of those relevant "bait and switch" apostolic church websites ... you hook them first ... then clean and skin them later.




Personally I prefer the truth in advertising churches ... like the New England church that posted this:

Where is the guy's version?