New Bar at Gound Zero - Page 11

Twisp · #**101** 08-13-2010, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Which gets us back to the topic of the thread. Will THEY be so understanding and tolerant of the gay bar ('Turban Cowboy" or "You Mecca Me Hot") when it opens up next door as we are expected to be of them?

I am sure he will. Probably more tolerant than if a gay bar opened up next to a Christian church.

Twisp · #**102** 08-13-2010, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Because even the poster on the 9-11 site said that he was giving them the impression it was local money. The NYC Firefighter sure had that impression. He should have stated more plainly, and especially, on the video when he had audience for it.

He said that when he was overseas. He didn't say that HERE. That is the difference. So, if by "community", he meant the Muslim world, he should have said so.

But, he didn't? Why not? Because he knows his mosque is causing division and he wants it built at any cost. Now, there's your peacemaker - NOT!

He said "our community". Clearly, that encompasses all of their communities, be it here or overseas. He did mention communities specifically later, but they are still covered under "our community".

Yes, the interview was overseas, but that makes no difference. He still has said where he is getting his money from, and you can offer no proof that he has tried to hide it.

Pressing-On · #**103** 08-13-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Which gets us back to the topic of the thread. Will THEY be so understanding and tolerant of the gay bar ('Turban Cowboy" or "You Mecca Me Hot") when it opens up next door as we are expected to be of them?

That is just too funny!!! 72 virgin drinks. I only know about a Shirley Temple. LOL!

He contacts Cordoba House, via Twitter to ask about building his gay bar and gets this answer:

"You're free to open whatever you like. If you won't consider the sensibilities of Muslims, you're not going to build dialogue."

Just an utterly amazing statement!! 52% of Americans don't want the mosque, but they are asking for US to use our sensibilities!

In Texas you can't sell alcohol within 300 feet of a church.

Pressing-On · #**104** 08-13-2010, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Twisp

I am sure he will. Probably more tolerant than if a gay bar opened up next to a Christian church.

Well, there's a thought, we can pray them through. LOL!

Seriously, yesterday, I prayed for all Muslims in this country and all over the world. Sincerely would like those trapped under Sharia Law to find a way out.

Pressing-On · #**105** 08-13-2010, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Twisp

He said "our community". Clearly, that encompasses all of their communities, be it here or overseas. He did mention communities specifically later, but they are still covered under "our community".

Yes, the interview was overseas, but that makes no difference. He still has said where he is getting his money from, and you can offer no proof that he has tried to hide it.

Excuse me, Twisp, but several other writers felt he was giving a false impression of where the "community" he was referring to was located. You WANT to defend him and make it appear that he never intended it to mean anything else but "ALL" Muslim communities. He did NOT say that on the video. He specially said, "American". So, nice try, no cigar.

And it makes no difference that his dialogue changed overseas, which is typical in the Muslim world. PULEEZE!!!

I have done nothing productive today, but eat breakfast and plug in my hair rollers. Sheesh!

geekette · #**106** 08-13-2010, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

How about if we let the KKK build a church (or just a meeting place) on top of the grave of Rosa Parks?

Did you even look at that picture I posted?

You can't see Ground Zero from the proposed location. It's a concrete canyon (one way street) in the middle of Manhattan.

If this were strictly about the mosque in Manhattan, I might understand, but there have been recent (as in the last month or so) efforts to keep Muslims from building mosques all over the USA.

It's not about terrorism or failing to honor the dead (which, I might remind you, included Muslims who worked in the WTC). It is about prejudice that has been inflamed by people who have decided that the many and varied beliefs of over one billion people are wicked, evil and must be destroyed by any means necessary.

There are people in this country who would love nothing better than to get rid of all Muslims, one way or another. That's why Charles Johnson, who runs the Little Green Footballs blog, cut all ties with his former fellow travelers. He decided that he didn't want to be involved with them pushing their anti-Muslim agenda because he thought it was leading to eliminationist thinking. Charles is no liberal--he supports Israel and thinks Obama is a big problem--but getting rid of the Muslims, that was simply too much.

Seriously, the paranoia expressed here by some (not Miss Brattified) is amazing. Should I be worried about terrorism because there are at least five mosques within 10 miles of my house? I'm not...I'm much more concerned about our out of control Sheriff's Department.

Food for thought:

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Psa. 118:6: The LORD is with me; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?

geekette · #**107** 08-13-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Well, recently a model of the proposed Islamic center has been unveiled and presented to the public.

I'm sorry, I am going to be extremely blunt and judgmental, but that picture is unbecoming of a Christian. I guess on the "am I an agnostic or am I am atheist today" question, it's going to be "atheist."

I'd also point out that nobody asks megachurch pastors where they get the money to build their monstrosities to personality. And I consider some of those people to be more dangerous to my way of life (because they'd have me to conform to their way of life, including throwing buckets of ca$$$h their way) than a bunch of shadowy threats flung about in a desperate attempt to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt.

Food for thought:

Matthew 5:44: But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Pressing-On · #**108** 08-13-2010, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by geekette

Did you even look at that picture I posted?

You can't see Ground Zero from the proposed location. It's a concrete canyon (one way street) in the middle of Manhattan.

The building is special to the people as a piece of the plane went through the roof and down to the basement. They want it landmarked for that reason also.

They feel it an affront to have a mosque in that building. That is the issue. Perhaps you were not aware of that.

The use of Cordoba was intentional. The had plenty of other names to choose from, but they wanted that one. Now, when they build it, it will be called Park51, but Muslims all over the world will know it as Cordoba House.

Pressing-On · #**109** 08-13-2010, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by geekette

I'm sorry, I am going to be extremely blunt and judgmental, but that picture is unbecoming of a Christian. I guess on the "am I an agnostic or am I am atheist today" question, it's going to be "atheist."

I'd also point out that nobody asks megachurch pastors where they get the money to build their monstrosities to personality. And I consider some of those people to be more dangerous to my way of life (because they'd have me to conform to their way of life, including throwing buckets of ca$$$h their way) than a bunch of shadowy threats flung about in a desperate attempt to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt.

Food for thought:

Matthew 5:44: But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Excuse me, but if a congregation KNEW the leadership of a church was having any kind of ties with terrorism, they would demand the Board to produce the paperwork to show where their offerings were coming from. Apples to oranges.

geekette · #**110** 08-13-2010, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Excuse me, but if a congregation KNEW the leadership of a church was having any kind of ties with terrorism, they would demand the Board to produce the paperwork to show where their offerings were coming from. Apples to oranges.

No they wouldn't.

Seriously, they wouldn't, because first of all, they'd never hear about it, and if they did hear about it, they'd be so browbeaten by "touch not thine anointed" and "if you don't like it, get out, 'God' is in charge here" that they'd never ask. Besides, if a Christian does it, it's never terrorism, even if it's bombing an abortion clinic or killing a doctor. Or merely just trying to take over the government for Jesus (e.g., "seven mountains mandate").

It's only terrorism if someone whose beliefs you dislike does it. And yes, there is terrorism incited by radical Islamic jihadist beliefs--beliefs that most Muslims do not hold. I have harsh, unprintable opinions about the Taliban, for example.

And, if churches don't have to present papers laying out their funding to be able to build, then neither should this mosque. I hope that this group is very open and aboveboard about all of its funding. That way we all can check 'em out--which is more than I can say for your average megachurch.