New Bar at Gound Zero

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I know it! You don't have to tell me twice!


Oh my gosh, I want to beat you!!!!

Gotta run, I have a date!! - with my husband! LOL!

Have a great weekend, Twisp!

lol, you also.

[Pressing-On]

Word, Renda!

Well said, Charles, well said!!

That's why Disney's 1993 proposal to build an American history theme park near Manassas Battlefield was defeated by a broad coalition that feared vulgarization of the Civil War (and that was wiser than me; at the time I obtusely saw little harm in the venture). It's why the commercial viewing tower built right on the border of Gettysburg was taken down by the Park Service. It's why, while no one objects to Japanese cultural centers, the idea of putting one up at Pearl Harbor would be offensive.

Of course that strain represents only a minority of Muslims. Islam is no more intrinsically Islamist than present-day Germany is Nazi -- yet despite contemporary Germany's innocence, no German of goodwill would even think of proposing a German cultural center at, say, Treblinka.

Which makes you wonder about the goodwill behind Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf's proposal.

The governor of New York offered to help find land to build the mosque elsewhere. A mosque really seeking to build bridges, Rauf's ostensible hope for the structure, would accept the offer.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...081204996.html

[Pressing-On]

Nearly 70% of Americans against it. Up from 52%. And only 31% of New Yorkers in favor. Down from 32%.

According to the new survey out Wednesday, nearly 70 percent of all Americans oppose the controversial plan to build the mosque.....

A lot has happened since then, but a July Quinnipiac poll found 52% of New Yorkers opposed the project, compared with 31% who supported it.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dai...#ixzz0waorm9yG

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Socialite

MB, the problem with using the KKK/Rosa Parks analogy, is that it assumes "All Muslims are American-hating extremists."

I think I can agree with the analogy in degree, but it certainly ups the ante for what is really happening and exposes maybe unfair logical assumptions on our part.

True, and I agree there are lots of peaceful Muslims who don't hate "Americans", although their religion does demand that they do not hold an affinity for infidels, to put it mildly. We have some friends from Missouri who are Muslims, and they would never support any act of violence.

[Pressing-On]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORhuh...layer_embedded

[Pressing-On]

Walid Shoebat Exposes 911 Mosque Imam Rauf

"The interview was translated from Arabic to English by Walid Shoebat, a former Palestinian terrorist who converted to Christianity and became a U.S. citizen. Essentially Rauf wants to use peaceful means including lobbying governments and establishing charities to incrementally implement the principles of Sharia law worldwide so once the stranglehold is established, potentially enacting Sharia-ordered decapitation and stoning of ‘infidels’ (any non-Muslims)"

http://www.shoebat.com/blog/archives/393

[Sam]

At a Presidential Muslim religious celebration of Ramadan, Obama spoke before a group of about 90 people, including Muslim community leaders, ambassadors, dignitaries and Rep. Andre Carson (D-Ind.), one of two Muslim members of Congress. President Barack Hussein Obama on Friday endorsed a controversial plan to build a mosque and Islamic center just blocks from Ground Zero in Manhattan, despite the strong objections of conservatives, the ADL and those who lost loved ones in the September 11 attacks.

In recent weeks, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs had deflected questions on the issue, insisting it is “a matter for New York City and the local community to decide.”

Earlier this week, in a statement recognizing the onset of the Muslim holy month, Obama said that the rituals of Ramadan “remind us of the principles that we hold in common, and Islam’s role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings.”

The event is this White House’s second recognition of Ramadan, the Islamic month of fasting, with a traditional iftar dinner—a communal event that traditionally marks the breaking of the fast at sundown.


A recent CNN poll found that 68 percent of those surveyed did not approve of building a mosque so close to where the World Trade Center towers fell, killing more than 2,000 people.

“There should be no mosque near Ground Zero in New York so long as there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia,” Newt Gingrich wrote on his website. “The time for double standards that allow Islamists to behave aggressively toward us while they demand our weakness and submission is over.”

Earlier this mornth, the ADL came out against the mosque. This week, prominent conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer even compared the proposed mosque to construction of German heritage center at the Auschwitz concentration camp.

Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) said Obama is “wrong” to endorse an “insensitive and uncaring” project.

“While the Muslim community has the right to build the mosque they are abusing that right by needlessly offending so many people who have suffered so much,” he said in a statement Friday. “The right and moral thing for President Obama to have done was to urge Muslim leaders to respect the families of those who died and move their mosque away from Ground Zero. Unfortunately, the president caved in to political correctness."

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by Sam

At a Presidential Muslim religious celebration of Ramadan, Obama spoke before a group of about 90 people, including Muslim community leaders, ambassadors, dignitaries and Rep. Andre Carson (D-Ind.), one of two Muslim members of Congress. President Barack Hussein Obama on Friday endorsed a controversial plan to build a mosque and Islamic center just blocks from Ground Zero in Manhattan, despite the strong objections of conservatives, the ADL and those who lost loved ones in the September 11 attacks.

In recent weeks, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs had deflected questions on the issue, insisting it is “a matter for New York City and the local community to decide.”

Earlier this week, in a statement recognizing the onset of the Muslim holy month, Obama said that the rituals of Ramadan “remind us of the principles that we hold in common, and Islam’s role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings.”

The event is this White House’s second recognition of Ramadan, the Islamic month of fasting, with a traditional iftar dinner—a communal event that traditionally marks the breaking of the fast at sundown.


A recent CNN poll found that 68 percent of those surveyed did not approve of building a mosque so close to where the World Trade Center towers fell, killing more than 2,000 people.

“There should be no mosque near Ground Zero in New York so long as there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia,” Newt Gingrich wrote on his website. “The time for double standards that allow Islamists to behave aggressively toward us while they demand our weakness and submission is over.”

Earlier this mornth, the ADL came out against the mosque. This week, prominent conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer even compared the proposed mosque to construction of German heritage center at the Auschwitz concentration camp.

Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) said Obama is “wrong” to endorse an “insensitive and uncaring” project.

“While the Muslim community has the right to build the mosque they are abusing that right by needlessly offending so many people who have suffered so much,” he said in a statement Friday. “The right and moral thing for President Obama to have done was to urge Muslim leaders to respect the families of those who died and move their mosque away from Ground Zero. Unfortunately, the president caved in to political correctness."

Big-time NG fan. Have to disagree with him here.

First of all, we are America. I wouldn't compare the unlikelihood of a Cathedral near the site of a Crusade in the Middle East. But we are America. We are bigger than that. The word "moral" here is again confounding. The President was asked to speak about it, and he wasn't going to offend Muslim-Americans by suggesting they are stigmatized by the act of those 9/11 radicals. His duty is to protect and serve the Constitution.... which is a legal aspect. He kept his comments in that vain.

Political correctness? I don't think W would've rebuked the Muslim community either, to be honest. Any classy President wouldn't.

[Pressing-On]

Location of Ground Zero Mosque

"It should be mentioned that part of one of the hijacked planes went through the building in question. That makes it very much a part of Ground Zero."

http://www.aipnews.com/talk/forums/t...posts=1#M42254

[Pressing-On]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CenRu...eature=related