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Originally Posted by Maximilian
Aquila, your position suggests that many American are naive about the "real Muslim movement," referencing the Mark Steyn-type predictions of fads plaguing Europe. Your response to those who insist that it's wrong to group all Muslims together as radicals is illogical and unethical, is to call them naive. I get it.
As far as Moderate Muslims not being able to renounce terrorism, you're wrong. Many have done so and continue to do so. That fact in itself contradicts what you're saying.
You can't legally boycott a religion. I'm appalled the people pushing for that (based on your remarks above, that we should wage war against Islamic culture) are Conservatives.
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We are 20 years behind Europe. I believe it is a horrible, misguided oversight to not recognize the things that are going on before our very eyes.
I don't think we should wage war. God created the soul of every man. They are being taught false precepts and the basis of their religion is based and built upon paganism. The root of that is so important.
Something I studied and saved:
The Bible doesn't confuse us as to who placed God's Word in our hearts and hands. The Quran, by it's very writings contradict it's own origin.
According to the Hadith, Mohammed's writings were collected from fragments from tablets of stone, ribs of palm branches, camels' shoulder blades and ribs, pieces of board and the breasts of men.
Mishkat al Masabih, Sh. M. Ashraf, Lahore (1990) p. 469. Also Bukhari Vol. 9 No. 301.
It is also said that some of the first attempts at compiling Mohammed's writings were by his daughter, Fatimah. She had to contest some of the facts with some of her father's followers because different versions were being recited by the people. It is also said that Mohammed's wife, Hafsa, also helped in the compilation.
I've also read that the final work was credited to Zaid ibn Thabit, whom some believe was merely the editor.
My focus is more on the origins of the Muslim faith, more so than the written contradictions to begin.
For instance, Professor A. Guilluame, who is an expert of the Islamic religion, has said that the worship of a moon god was very rampant in Arabia at the time of Mohammed. According to his writings, the moon god had several names - one of them was "Allah".
Another Middle East Scholar, E.M. Wherry, in his work, A Comprehensive Commentary on the Quaran, also shows the worship of the moon, star and the sun involved the worship of Allah and Ba-al (Huba'l).
"Huba'l" is a Hebrew word meaning "the lord" and was a Moabite god that was imported into many nations, including Israel. Ibn Ishaq, an earlier biographer of Mohammed and his work said that praying to "Allah" was the same thing as praying to Hubal, as Ha-Baal or Hu-Baal means "the lord - "al-iah or "al'lah" means "the god.
Mohammed's father bore the name "Abdallah" and is very similiar to other tribal people bearing the name of the specific idols they worshiped. Abdallah is not proof that "Allah" is the Mighty God of the Bible. It only proves that "Allah" was already known as a supernatural being they worshiped before Islam started.
Many Muslims don't want to accept the fact that Allah was already being worshiped at the Ka'ba in Mecca by the Arabian pagans before Mohammed came along. Other deities worshiped in Mecca were "Al-lat" or "Allat" which is a feminine form of the Arabic word for "Allah". "Al-lat", "al-Uzza and "al-Manat" were three female idols being worshiped inside the Ka'ba. They were regarded as the daughters of Allah.
One Historian, Vaqqidi, has said that "Allah" was actually the chief god of about 360 gods that were being worshiped in Arabia at the time that Mohammed rose in prominence.
Ibn Al-Kalbi, who was an Arabian historian noted that there were 27 pre-Islamic deities and that the Quran lists nine of these idols.
Mohammad's wife, Khadijah, sacrificed and worshiped Wadd, Suwa, Yaguth, Ya'uq, Nasr and Hubal because her sons were dying young. (Surah 71:23; Haykal, Mohammed. The Life of Muhammad, P.69).
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Exodus 3:6, God tells Moses, "I am the God of thy father". Mohammed says that Allah revealed himself in the same way, but the question remains - Who is this god that Mohammed's father worshiped? We know who Moses' father worshiped. Moses' father doesn't have the idol worshiping background that Mohammad's father had.
When God appeared to Abram, he asked him to leave his idolatrous town of Ur. God was very careful NOT to say that He was the God of Abram's father. That is because Abram's father was an idolater.
Another thing I would like to point out is something that Ahmed Deedat, a South African Muslim Jihadist, wrote in a pamphlet he entitled, "What is His Name". He took some footnotes from an earlier Schofield Commentary Bible which had included the words, "elohim", "elah" and "alah" and tried to conclude that this proved that Allah was the name of the God Almighty.
One thing that makes his argument fall apart is that the footnotes were not in the Bible, but in the Commentary and the word "alah" is a common Hebrew word meaning "to swear". It is a verb and not a noun. The editors never suggested that those three words, "elohim", "elah" nor "alah" mean "Allah."
Another fact about Mohammed - When Khadija died, he married other wives who would have influenced his spiritual understanding. One of his early wives was a Jewess named Raihana. His ninth wife, Safiyya, was also a Jewess whom he captured after killing her husband in a battle again the Khaibar Jews.
The governor of Egypt, Moqawqu, presented him with two Ethiopian Christian women slaves, Maryam and her sister Sirin. The oldest sister, he took as his wife. So, he had two Jewish wives and two Christian wives. The Jews would have explained the Old Covenant to him and the Christian wives the New Covenant. These were all opportunities for him to know about the truth and the Bible.
Not on legal grounds, but I feel it's provocative and deserving of a backlash. However, some of the backlash I hear just wreaks of ignorance and hate -- a bad combo. Unfortunately, most are Jesus followers too. 
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