TB has LS preach Holy Magic Hair again!

[DAII]

Max, no, he doesn't know your story but enjoyed him sticking his foot in his mouth.

It appears Rob struggles with an original thought and has resorted to the playbook in throwing out wild aspersions.

I'm sure he won't be this caustic when he is at Brooklyn Tabernacle

[Maximilian]

Despite his reservations and euphemism for his decision to do so, I think it's a class-act thing for Rob McKee to post on here.

Rob, please forward a statement from LS that clears everything up.

His followers may not like the term "Holy Magic Hair" as it sounds like a pejorative (it is), but what we've explained of the doctrine on here is consistent with how he teaches it on YouTube and in meetings where many of us have been.

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by DAII

Max, no he doesn't know your story but enjoyed him sticking his foot in his mouth.

It appears Rob struggles with an original thought and has resorted to the playbook in throwing out wild aspersions.

I'm sure he won't be this caustic when he is at Brooklyn Tabernacle

Speaking of BT, that's been a topic I've never quite understood. (This isn't specific to RM, and as far as I'm concerned, I think it's great that he and his family have an opportunity there).

If you believe all who have never spoken in tongues, had "Jesus' name" said over them when they were baptized, cut their hair, wear make-up, etc are eternally lost (and in some situations heretics), why would you fellowship so intimately with them?

The reason many Christians from different denominations are able to fellowship together is that they have in common the mutual understanding that each is a brother, and that the issues that divide them are non-essentials. It's not so with those described above.

Do they do it to be a light to the unlearned and deceived masses? Are they helping themselves?

People like RDP are at least consistent. Of course, even they borrow an occassional heretic tune, read from a heretic commentary, use a heretic church government model, re-teach heretic church leadership points, etc...

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Speaking of BT, that's been a topic I've never quite understood. (This isn't specific to RM, and as far as I'm concerned, I think it's great that he and his family have an opportunity there).

If you believe all who have never spoken in tongues, had "Jesus' name" said over them when they were baptized, cut their hair, wear make-up, etc are eternally lost (and in some situations heretics), why would you fellowship so intimately with them?

The reason many Christians from different denominations are able to fellowship together is that they have in common the mutual understanding that each is a brother, and that the issues that divide them are non-essentials. It's not so with those described above.

Do they do it to be a light to the unlearned and deceived masses? Are they helping themselves?

People like RDP are at least consistent. Of course, even they borrow an occassional heretic tune, read from a heretic commentary, use a heretic church government model, re-teach heretic church leadership points, etc...

Maybe Robert and others are willing to intimately fellowship the likes of Jim Cymbala (who is very familiar with the Oneness message ) because he thinks he will be the deal breaker and save him or maybe he hopes to profit in some way riding his coat tails?

[DAII]

Robert your remarks on FB regarding your perceived motives of who I am and what I believe is documented on Facebook and a masonic preacher's forum.

I'd hate to have to go point by point on how those remarks belie the drivel you've posted.

That said my HMH site deals directly with a false doctrine and not the character of a personage as you have done to me in more than one occasion.

Your passive-aggressive posting here speaks volumes

[Justin]

Originally Posted by Rob McKee

Sorry...guys...forgive me for responding

What's worse is that LS misquotes and misuses a number of sources to build the foundation to support his teaching: http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=30801

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by Rob McKee

Sorry...guys...forgive me for responding

People need to know his teaching of "power on your head because of the angels" has translated into a very false teaching. His ministry is public. It's inevitable that the teachings of his be discussed publicly.

I'm not for the bashing LS, but I am for openly criticizing his ideas of Magic Hair.

I know I would never add LS to a list of ministers that I pray the Lord would judge them and kill them. I mean, I'd hope no one would do that...
TIC

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Rob McKee

Daniel (I'm assuming that's what DA stands for)
Please forgive me if I have offending you in anyway. I don't know any peers that are going after Bro Stoneking like you are.

My peers (as in friends) would love to have this man come preach for them...including me. Just because Bro Segraves published an article doesn't mean that he feels Bro Stoneking is in heresy. Bro Stoneking's name was not in that article. If Bro Segraves works with Bro Bernard every day. If Bro Segraves felt Bro Stoneking were preaching "heresy" why would Bro Stoneking still be preaching district camp meetings? If you are truly concerned about this...have you privately called or emailed Bro Bernard about your concerns? I've found him to be engaging and available.

Perhaps the "Segraves Article" wasn't a slap at Bro Stoneking but a rebuke of those who claimed the UPC now preached or endorsed this doctrine..even bro Stoneking says he doesn't believe it. If the UPCI felt Bro Stoneking believed in "Magical Power in the Hair" they would have no problem dealing with it. They wrote off several hundred thousand constituents over the "divine flesh" doctrine in Ethiopia. I trust their judgment... I realize you don't.

Again...my only disagreement with you is this driving personal attack against a man of God. I feel like it's reckless...it's dangerous...and spiteful. Daniel, I understand you were hurt by men within the organization...however it doesn't mean it's okay to live a life of bitterness. You are making a name for yourself over who you are against. Is that really the legacy you want? I know you have more to offer than a crusade against someone who's spent their life preaching about the power of prayer, walking with God and move of the Holy Ghost. Have you considered...What if you are wrong? What if you are persecuting a prophet of God? Have you ever made a mistake? Saul was educated, zealous and passionate for doctrine yet he found himself kicking against God...and it was only hurting him.
Even Simon was used by the devil himself.
Daniel, I'm not above being used by the devil...none of us are...

Aren't there other things we can do for the kingdom of God besides creating websites against a preacher that had never heard of you until you started this? What profit is this to you personally except an attempt to show hypocrisy or disprove a doctrine that you were raised with. Even if he were wrong, what difference would it make to you. Daniel, You have invested a lot of time and effort and you don't believe in the doctrine of uncut hair. What difference is it to you how he teaches it? Are you attending a UPC or Apostolic church now? Are you trying to get the UPCI to change it's doctrine of a woman's uncut hair? If it does, are you planning to join it again? I just don't see your personal motivation other than bitterness, vengeance or division.

Now...I know this post probably did little to convince you otherwise but it's easy to assume we know what happened...we heard something...and make a judgment call based on it.

A point of clarity...(not that it really matters, but as we've learned..."a little truth" mixed with assumptions can lead us in all directions)...My wife "isn't recording" with Brooklyn Tabernacle.
Someone submitted a video of her singing and she won a contest with Integrity Records to sing a solo with the choir. The kind folks at Integrity Records are flying us to New York this weekend. I look forward to meeting the Cymbalas....we've only spoken by phone. They seem like really kind people.

God Bless ya man...and again...forgive me if I've seemed to come against you. I just think it's wrong what you are doing.

Rob McKee

Sorry Rob, but I heard Karen Harding, Thursday night, March 4, 2010, San Marcos, Texas - "There is power in uncut hair. I was in services with Brother Stoneking in Houston."

The scripture is being taken out of context.

I Cor 11:9 "Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. (10) For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels."

"For this cause" is reaching back to verse nine to identify the "cause". You cannot push that to verse 15 no matter how hard you want to try. Her power on her "head" is not speaking of "hair" in that part of the chapter. It is about order and authority.

Brother Seagraves supports that view as well. Obviously, Brother Stoneking does not.

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by Rob McKee

Sorry...guys...forgive me for responding

I'm glad you did. I have no beef with you personally. I'd love to see you roll up your sleeves on the issues. If this isn't the format, an open forum in person.

[DAII]

I forgive you Rob for having a misinformed opinion and responding. I'm sorry you've decided to subscribe to HMH doctrine.