[Ferd] disclaimer for the unstable. I do not advocate telling people who have suffered abuse to "get over it". I do however, encourage them to seek professional help and not talk about their real life horror on internet forums where no one can control the direction of the conversation
I don't consider myself unstable, but I'm going to address this. Yes, you do tell them to get over it. Now that I've cleared that up, carry on.
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It's interesting how you correlate and respond when cornered. I've seen many others on this Forum do the same thing, using statements like, "You need professional help, Great googly moogly, My God what is wrong with you?" These are typical cop-outs and cover-ups to keep the light shining on your stage, so you can continue to be the hero.
In fact, read up on what a Psychopath is. You may be surprised at how your attitude reflects this disorder.
I pastored a church in a Native American Village for 2 years. Almost every adult woman in that Church had been molested as a child. You make it sound like this never happens. It is you that needs professional help, because you refuse to admit the veracity of this problem. I can just see you dealing with these women; get over it!! What's wrong with you?? Put your BIG BOY PANTS ON!!
Your rants that basically tell people to take a hike if they don't get it, is not only wrong, but inhumane. You are one reason people leave Christianity or Organized Religion because patience runs thin in your blood. You don't want to see the dark side, only your side, and when people come to you trying to relate severe trauma and brokenness, you basically tell them it’s my way, or the highway.
i defy you to find one single post in this forum where I have told someone who has suffered molestation to "grow up".
You cant because it has never happened. I have certainly told some folks who are crying about being mistreated for leaving the traditional Oneness Pentecostal lifestyle. But I have NEVER ONCE in real life, nor on an internet forum made light of real horrific abuse.
your line here if monumnetally off base. you really should be ashamed of yourself. I dont know if you can.
Seriously what made you tavel down this particular road? Why would you even think to bring up such a thing?
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i defy you to find one single post in this forum where I have told someone who has suffered molestation to "grow up".
You cant because it has never happened. I have certainly told some folks who are crying about being mistreated for leaving the traditional Oneness Pentecostal lifestyle. But I have NEVER ONCE in real life, nor on an internet forum made light of real horrific abuse.
your line here if monumnetally off base. you really should be ashamed of yourself. I dont know if you can.
Seriously what made you tavel down this particular road? Why would you even think to bring up such a thing?
You're not very good at responding to reason, are you? Are you familiar with the term, "Analogy"? Look it up. That's what NFS did here, he used an "Analogy." He said, "I can just see you dealing with these women....Get your big boy pants on." He's saying you would apply that to anyone's hurt. Good grief.
I happen to agree with him. You seem to apply that resolution to anything:
Acts Early Church: "Oh no, Steven was just stoned!" Drill Sergeant Ferd: "Get your big boy pants on."
Despondent little boy: "Oh no, my dog was just hit by a car!" Drill Sergeant Ferd: "Buck it you, you sniveling little brat, put your big boy pants on!"
John the Baptist's Mother: "I can't believe they just beheaded my son!!" Drill Sergeant Ferd: "Yawn. Put your Big Boy skirt on."
The problem is, D.S.F., your "Get dressed" logic doesn't apply to everyone else. One of the greatest mistakes I've seen in ministry is the expectation that everyone deals with grief the same way. It is never productive to force everyone to jump into the same mold and deal with unmet expectations, tragedy, or grief in the same manner.
You want everyone to just "Get over it" and I would love it if that were possible. But it's not.
That's your first problem.
Your second problem is, you assume (and the number one rule of life is, never assume anything) that everyone here who has a negative thing to say about the UPC is bashing, complaining, can't let it go, blah, blah, blah. And to be fair, there are those like that. I didn't join "Global Network" for a long time because every event I went to was just UPC bashing. My service to Jesus Christ is not about my disagreement and ultimate disassociation with the UPC.
I realize you're not going to budge from your stance here. Continue on with your head in the sand, pretending that there aren't enough dysfunctions in the UPC to deserve being calling out for it. That's your life. But you're never going to be able to make the REAL issues of those who have been disenfranchised from speaking their piece.
You're not very good at responding to reason, are you? Are you familiar with the term, "Analogy"? Look it up. That's what NFS did here, he used an "Analogy." He said, "I can just see you dealing with these women....Get your big boy pants on." He's saying you would apply that to anyone's hurt. Good grief.
I happen to agree with him. You seem to apply that resolution to anything:
Acts Early Church: "Oh no, Steven was just stoned!" Drill Sergeant Ferd: "Get your big boy pants on."
Despondent little boy: "Oh no, my dog was just hit by a car!" Drill Sergeant Ferd: "Buck it you, you sniveling little brat, put your big boy pants on!"
John the Baptist's Mother: "I can't believe they just beheaded my son!!" Drill Sergeant Ferd: "Yawn. Put your Big Boy skirt on."
The problem is, D.S.F., your "Get dressed" logic doesn't apply to everyone else. One of the greatest mistakes I've seen in ministry is the expectation that everyone deals with grief the same way. It is never productive to force everyone to jump into the same mold and deal with unmet expectations, tragedy, or grief in the same manner.
You want everyone to just "Get over it" and I would love it if that were possible. But it's not.
That's your first problem.
Your second problem is, you assume (and the number one rule of life is, never assume anything) that everyone here who has a negative thing to say about the UPC is bashing, complaining, can't let it go, blah, blah, blah. And to be fair, there are those like that. I didn't join "Global Network" for a long time because every event I went to was just UPC bashing. My service to Jesus Christ is not about my disagreement and ultimate disassociation with the UPC.
I realize you're not going to budge from your stance here. Continue on with your head in the sand, pretending that there aren't enough dysfunctions in the UPC to deserve being calling out for it. That's your life. But you're never going to be able to make the REAL issues of those who have been disenfranchised from speaking their piece.
First you really do need to go get some big boy pants. you are getting silly.
Second, I certainly do not assume that everyone here has something bad to say about the UPCI. silly. Not only do I not assume that but have stated in this thread that some kinds of negative comments about individuals within the UPCI are warranted.
third, there is a massive difference between dealing with YOUR whining about the "system" and dealing with someone who has really suffered horror. these things are not analogous.
Fourth, you say Notforsale used an analogy then you point out that he is saying this is the way I would deal with seriously damaged people. There is no reason in your statement. There is no truth in his.
Fifth, you really do need big boy pants.
I do appreciated the irony of you saying I am making assumptions. Its funny. Really.
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First you really do need to go get some big boy pants. you are getting silly.
Second, I certainly do not assume that everyone here has something bad to say about the UPCI. silly. Not only do I not assume that but have stated in this thread that some kinds of negative comments about individuals within the UPCI are warranted.
third, there is a massive difference between dealing with YOUR whining about the "system" and dealing with someone who has really suffered horror. these things are not analogous.
Fourth, you say Notforsale used an analogy then you point out that he is saying this is the way I would deal with seriously damaged people. There is no reason in your statement. There is no truth in his.
Fifth, you really do need big boy pants.
I do appreciated the irony of you saying I am making assumptions. Its funny. Really.
You have no idea the things in life I've had to deal with in which I had to wear big boy pants. You're assuming and you're assuming out of ignorance.
I never said that you said everyone here has something bad to say about the UPC. You either can't read or won't read. Or you can't understand what you read. Talking to you is like talking to a fencepost.
You didn't like my analogy? I thought it was pretty good. In fact, I know it was good. I'm extremely humble and proud of it, but I'd have to say it's one of the best I've seen on AFF. You gotta admit, it was good. Go ahead, break through your pride and admit it. It'll do you good. Put on your big boy pants and admit it!
People are going to air our their grievances here. B=Put on your big boy pants and deal with it.
There is more than a problem with individuals in the UPC. It is the systematic tearing down of individuals that routinely takes place. District boards in several districts have done lifetime damage in dozens of instances. My mother's life was changed forever from a nervous breakdown. There was a death of a family member after a district board's illegal and bullying activities. You may not like it, but it's the truth and you should put on your big boy pants and deal with it. I dealt with in many years ago and left. But I will NOT shut up about regardless of how many ignorant people with their heads stuck in the sand show up and tell me to. Sorry.
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