Did God use evolution to create life

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Well, if God didn't put the first man to sleep and remove one of his ribs and turn that rib into the first woman, I don't see how that story can be true, in any meaningful sense. Metaphors can only stretch so far before they snap. What would the intended meaning of this one be, if not literal?

With respect Timmy, you suffer from the same debilitating affliction that plagues so many of our friends here. You read the Bible like a Fundamentalist.

The answer to your question takes us off of the "evidence for evolution" theme. A course in Literary Analysis might be helpful. Look especially at the types of "genres." If you misidentify the genre of the literature you will fail to understand the story. The ancient people weren't a bunch of "cave man" dumbies. They thought out their writings and composed them with deliberation.

Wheaton professor John H. Walton also has some helpful books on the subject.

http://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Near-E...2696249&sr=8-5

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Well, if God didn't put the first man to sleep and remove one of his ribs and turn that rib into the first woman, I don't see how that story can be true, in any meaningful sense. Metaphors can only stretch so far before they snap. What would the intended meaning of this one be, if not literal?

Eve's rib? Darwinist cowards run from that question.
The evolutionists/atheists say the historical accouint in Genesis is not true. That means details are also untrue.
When I ask a Darwinist that claims to believe some parts of the scripture when the scripture starts becoming true, I never see a response.
Pretend science is when they make the story as Pelathais does out of speculation and wishfull thinking.
When the Word said Adam named her Eve, the mother of all living that clashes with non biblical Darwinism where Eve's parents were apes.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by pelathais

With respect Timmy, you suffer from the same debilitating affliction that plagues so many of our friends here. You read the Bible like a Fundamentalist.

.

http://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Near-E...2696249&sr=8-5

Why should the bible be "translated" by Darwiniac fundamentalists for us?


Debilitating affliction?You really think you are superior when you do your put downs.

Do you go to a church?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by JamDat

I was listening to Todd Friel today and a moment of old earth vs. young earth came up. One of the Presbyterian denominations entertained the argument in their magazine.

Todd said a couple of things that made pretty good sense to me. Something along the line of when science sets up it's throne over God it's time to get rid of the science. I was a little embarrassed that he took that position until he said let science explain being raised from the dead after three days.

DT you're right on. I too believe.

Ravi Zacharius once mentioned Science followed God and used biblical terms to define science. The world today uses science to define and limit religion. This reversal came the time of Freud, Darwin and some other rabid actors in the 1800's.

Physics, chemistry geology are hard sciences. The evolution part of biology is the lunatic fringe of soft science. It does a shabby job of trying to write history and uses interpolation with its limits.

[JamDat]

Originally Posted by pelathais

The question here is not, "Did Jesus rise from the dead?"

The question here involves whether or not biological evolution has occurred. You've ignored the question under discussion without even engaging the issue. What "science" has "erected a throne over God?" Go to MedPub or one of the other online search engines for scientific journals and search for that phrase. See if you can even find any sort of discussion along those lines.

The problem your Presbyterians are wrestling with is that one group thinks their own brand of theology exists as a "throne over God." They need to first submit themselves to the things of God and realize that God created us - and not the other way around. The same problem seems to exist here.

I understand the heat in this thread, but I don't pretend to understand everything everyone is writing.

Please don't take what I wrote to be offensive against you. I was only trying to communicate what I had heard on the radio that I thought might be interesting to some here.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by JamDat

I understand the heat in this thread, but I don't even pretend to understand everything everyone is writing.

Please don't take what I wrote to be offensive against you. I was only trying to communicate what I had heard on the radio that I thought might be interesting to some here.

Keep listening to the radio. An increasing number of Americans are rejecting evolution dogma. While the cold liberal churches went toward it, now people learn the truth. The evolutionists/atheists are fighting to keep mention of Creation out of schools. I suspect some would like to get it out of churches. Darwins deadly Legacy was written by D James Kennedy.
Teaching children that they are hairless apes with trousers is dishonest.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by pelathais

You lied when you said that you had studied genetics at the graduate level at an Ivy League University. You simply lied. You've already demonstrated that you have less than a high school level of understanding when it comes to science and your "writing" wouldn't even get you a janitorial position at a trade school.

A babbling nut case like yourself with a long history of hysterical rants isn't likely to get me riled. Your imaginations about this are more amusing than anything else.

How about you answer the questions? Or move on.

Richard Dawkins says this

“It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane (or wicked, but I’d rather not consider that).”

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by JamDat

I understand the heat in this thread, but I don't pretend to understand everything everyone is writing.

Please don't take what I wrote to be offensive against you. I was only trying to communicate what I had heard on the radio that I thought might be interesting to some here.

Fair enough. Sorry if that seemed a bit stronger than I intended.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by coadie

Richard Dawkins says this

“It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane (or wicked, but I’d rather not consider that).”

Well, that's evidence that you've met Richard Dawkins and prompted him to make that remark; but we're still waiting for you to answer the questions that you've been running from for two days now and we're still looking for evidence that you studied genetics at the graduate level at an Ivy League university as you've claimed.

C'mon coadie. Can't you engage the material? You flubbed the genetics issue regarding the "three and four chambered heart" problem badly.Why don't you try again. And remember - just this past Saturday I held a baby in my arms who was born with a "three chambered heart." As soon as he puts on a couple more pounds the docs are going to graft a septum in that will grow into a "four chambered heart."

Can you address this information?

http://www.sciencenews.org/view/gene..._four_chambers

http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008...n-of-th-5.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2747104/

http://www.biologynews.net/archives/...le_hearts.html

[BroGary]

Originally Posted by coadie

Eve's rib? Darwinist cowards run from that question.
The evolutionists/atheists say the historical accouint in Genesis is not true. That means details are also untrue.
When I ask a Darwinist that claims to believe some parts of the scripture when the scripture starts becoming true, I never see a response.
Pretend science is when they make the story as Pelathais does out of speculation and wishfull thinking.
When the Word said Adam named her Eve, the mother of all living that clashes with non biblical Darwinism where Eve's parents were apes.

the mother of all living

yep, that alone shows how unbiblical evolution really is.