Tithe-vs-Paying Your Bills

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

I think he did check his Holy Ghost. Because the word says that the Holy Ghost would guide us into all truth. Nothing is mentioned in the Word of God as making His of none effect but one thing. Tradition.

What tradition then are we following? Do you think following the example of Abraham is tradition?

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

What tradition then are we following? Do you think following the example of Abraham is tradition?

Uh... yeah.

First... it is clear that you were right when you got here and you'll be right when you leave so I'm not going to waste a lot of my keyboard life discussing things with you...

But...

Abraham had more than one wife. Let's do that.

Abraham is an example to us in dedication, in following God and in devotion. But if you're going to follow Abraham... follow Him. I prefer the God of Abraham and I follow Him through His writings.

But... if you ever conquer a country. On the way back... feel free to give someone 10% of the spoils of that war. Because that is all we have evidence that Abraham ever did concerning the tithe.

You may continue being right.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Uh... yeah.

First... it is clear that you were right when you got here and you'll be right when you leave so I'm not going to waste a lot of my keyboard life discussing things with you...

But...

Abraham had more than one wife. Let's do that.

Abraham is an example to us in dedication, in following God and in devotion. But if you're going to follow Abraham... follow Him. I prefer the God of Abraham and I follow Him through His writings.

But... if you ever conquer a country. On the way back... feel free to give someone 10% of the spoils of that war. Because that is all we have evidence that Abraham ever did concerning the tithe.

You may continue being right.

Really I saw nothing in my post that said I'm right and your wrong. I guess thats the trouble with discussing on a forum. Sorry if a struck a cord.

Paul said follow me as I follow Christ and the Bible praised Abraham because of his belief and his actions. If we follow his example ( Hebrews 11 is devoted to examples of people and their actions) we know we follow the same faith he had in the God of Abraham.

I see that you are convinced he only paid the spoils of war, Hebrews actually revealed he paid the tithe because he recognized the priesthood of Melchisedec which is the priesthood of Christ to whom I and you would pay tithes to today.


I could be completely wrong here but I was simply asking you a question. If you see problems with the train of thought I have described above, please elaborate. If you wish not to, may God Bless you

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Really I saw nothing in my post that said I'm right and your wrong. I guess thats the trouble with discussing on a forum. Sorry if a struck a cord.

Paul said follow me as I follow Christ and the Bible praised Abraham because of his belief and his actions. If we follow his example ( Hebrews 11 is devoted to examples of people and their actions) we know we follow the same faith he had in the God of Abraham.

I see that you are convinced he only paid the spoils of war, Hebrews actually revealed he paid the tithe because he recognized the priesthood of Melchisedec which is the priesthood of Christ to whom I and you would pay tithes to today.


I could be completely wrong here but I was simply asking you a question. If you see problems with the train of thought I have described above, please elaborate. If you wish not to, may God Bless you

I will get back to answering your post in more detail later. It is a busy day here at work. But I must make time to apologize for taking your posts wrongly. You appear to have an open spirit for discussion. I did not feel that way in previous posts and that appears to have been a grievous miscalculation on my part.

My sincere apologies for misjudging you. I look forward to further discussion as we are each able to have the time to do so.

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Originally Posted by onefaith2

Really I saw nothing in my post that said I'm right and your wrong. I guess thats the trouble with discussing on a forum. Sorry if a struck a cord.

Paul said follow me as I follow Christ and the Bible praised Abraham because of his belief and his actions. If we follow his example ( Hebrews 11 is devoted to examples of people and their actions) we know we follow the same faith he had in the God of Abraham.

I see that you are convinced he only paid the spoils of war, Hebrews actually revealed he paid the tithe because he recognized the priesthood of Melchisedec which is the priesthood of Christ to whom I and you would pay tithes to today.


I could be completely wrong here but I was simply asking you a question. If you see problems with the train of thought I have described above, please elaborate. If you wish not to, may God Bless you

You may be on to something here (bolded portion above). Jesus Christ is our great High Priest after the order of Melchizedec, that is clearly established. So... who is the priesthood, then? Who is the priesthood under the new covenant?

And whether his motivation was that he was honoring/recognizing Mel's standing as a high priest (before the Levitical priesthood was ever setup), it is still a fact that we only have evidence of Abe tithing ONE TIME - from the spoils of war. And note what Abe did with the OTHER 90% of those spoils. If we're going to follow his example, let's follow his example.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Jim H

You may be on to something here (bolded portion above). Jesus Christ is our great High Priest after the order of Melchizedec, that is clearly established. So... who is the priesthood, then? Who is the priesthood under the new covenant?

And whether his motivation was that he was honoring/recognizing Mel's standing as a high priest (before the Levitical priesthood was ever setup), it is still a fact that we only have evidence of Abe tithing ONE TIME - from the spoils of war. And note what Abe did with the OTHER 90% of those spoils. If we're going to follow his example, let's follow his example.

The priesthood under the new Convenant is Jesus, his order is the Melchisedian priesthood which existed before and after Levitical priesthood.

Jesus gave some apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers who operate under his authority and his calling.

Paul taught that those that preach should live by the gospel.

We can understand by the setup of the first apostolic church that people brought freewill offerings of their many possessions and gave to the apostles for distribution to those in need, but we also know the apostles didn't live on nothing.

Paul actually refused to take "his liberty" with churches. Since people do not give like they did in Acts as a norm, the tithing system is the best way to support ministry in the new Testament church IMO.


as far as abraham paying spoils that he took, it was actually goods that he recovered that was stolen, plus captives.

Abram recovered all the goods that had been taken, and he brought back his nephew Lot with his possessions and all the women and other captives.

Abraham only paid tithes on the goods though to Melchisidek

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

The priesthood under the new Convenant is Jesus, his order is the Melchisedian priesthood which existed before and after Levitical priesthood.

Jesus gave some apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers who operate under his authority and his calling.

Paul taught that those that preach should live by the gospel.

We can understand by the setup of the first apostolic church that people brought freewill offerings of their many possessions and gave to the apostles for distribution to those in need, but we also know the apostles didn't live on nothing.

Paul actually refused to take "his liberty" with churches. Since people do not give like they did in Acts as a norm, the tithing system is the best way to support ministry in the new Testament church IMO.

I find that people are less apt to give under a particular stated giving amount. It is human nature when given a goal that they fulfill that minimum and feel accomplished.

Giving is not taught from a standpoint of giving from ones heart... weighing in ones heart what one should give and listening to God on the matter of what to give. Who needs to listen to God when a calculator will do.

Stating what we should give disables the people to give as they feel led because there is no need to be led.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

I find that people are less apt to give under a particular stated giving amount. It is human nature when given a goal that they fulfill that minimum and feel accomplished.

Giving is not taught from a standpoint of giving from ones heart... weighing in ones heart what one should give and listening to God on the matter of what to give. Who needs to listen to God when a calculator will do.

Stating what we should give disables the people to give as they feel led because there is no need to be led.

Agreed, which is why the OT blessing of tithes in Malachi actually applied also to the church today. It is a blessing to give tithes, not a curse.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Agreed, which is why the OT blessing of tithes in Malachi actually applied also to the church today. It is a blessing to give tithes, not a curse.

How can you say agreed and then completely disagree with my post with the remainder of your own post?

First... the OT tithe never...ever... was on anyones income. It was on the increase of the land.

Second... Malachi 3:8 is about God being mad because the priests were handing the tithe themselves (which is against God's instruction) and were keeping all the tithe rather than using it to minister to others as it had been intended.

Third... the difference between the OT & the NT is this. What was a law written on stone is now a law written on your heart. What we used to do out of shear obedience to a written law we now do out of a heart filled with and led by our God. What was law... is now a heart matter.

You can't experience being led by God when you still live the old law. The old law is weak because of man. We have to put that behind us and be led by the spirit or else we cheat ourselves and our brethren out of relationship and leading that comes directly from God.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

How can you say agreed and then completely disagree with my post with the remainder of your own post?

First... the OT tithe never...ever... was on anyones income. It was on the increase of the land.

Second... Malachi 3:8 is about God being mad because the priests were handing the tithe themselves (which is against God's instruction) and were keeping all the tithe rather than using it to minister to others as it had been intended.

Third... the difference between the OT & the NT is this. What was a law written on stone is now a law written on your heart. What we used to do out of shear obedience to a written law we now do out of a heart filled with and led by our God. What was law... is now a heart matter.

You can't experience being led by God when you still live the old law. The old law is weak because of man. We have to put that behind us and be led by the spirit or else we cheat ourselves and our brethren out of relationship and leading that comes directly from God.

I totally understand we cannot live by the old law, but I'm telling you the promise of opening up the windows of heaven is attached to tithing today!. I've seen it.