Mohammed wasn't a good man, Hubal isn't our God

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by coadie

It appears you claim this is not true.
Can you prove it with scripture?



5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Wide road christians have a different plan.

Did somebody rattle your cage again? I'm talking to Dedicated Obama Mind.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Did somebody rattle your cage again? I'm talking to Dedicated Obama Mind.

The words Jesus spoke to Nicodemus bother you?

Are you born again?

By the way, all orthodox Musllims say Allah had no son.

[coadie]

Mohamad was nasty.

PROPHET MOHAMMED WAS A HIGHWAY ROBBER !!!

Slaughter of Meccans who came to defend their caravans
Date: March (Ramadan) 17, 623 A.D
Place: The well of Badr
Victims: 70 merchants from Quraysh Tribe of Mecca, The Quraysh army which came to defend them

The merchandise being carried by this caravan was worth more than 50,000 Gold Dinars. Mohammed ganged up all the criminals of Medina and set out to raid the caravan with 300 men. The Meccans got word of the raid and sent out an army to protect the caravan. Throughout the entire battle Mohammad cowered in a hut which his men made for him. Mohammed cried, "Anyone who fights for me today will go to paradise!" The Muslims killed over two hundred and took seventy prisoners. Muslims looted all the gold and valuables without any shame.

http://usa.mediamonitors.net/layout/...nth-of-fasting

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by coadie

The words Jesus spoke to Nicodemus bother you?

Are you born again?

By the way, all orthodox Musllims say Allah had no son.

This is a pointless, completely worn out argument and I'm not jumping in. You're so wrong it's pathetic so why bother. I'm absolutely born again and no, I haven't spoken in tongues.

Now, back to Dedicated Obama Mind.

[Apocrypha]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

What is Hubal?

The moon god of Mohammeds tribe that was worshiped in Mecca, otherwise known as Allah.

http://www.studytoanswer.net/islam/hubalallah.html

The most devastating proof that Allah is the moon god is the fact that Mohammed referenced his daughters in the "satanic verses" of the koran that he personally expunged.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All%C4%81t

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man%C4%81t

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-%E2%80%98Uzz%C3%A1

Referenced in Qur'an Sura 53:19-23 that was later taken out. The first major islamic historian Ibn Ishaq referenced it in the first biography of Mohammed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Ishaq

Its something that Islamic scholars really really want to pretend doesnt exist.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Apocrypha

The moon god of Mohammeds tribe that was worshiped in Mecca, otherwise known as Allah.

http://www.studytoanswer.net/islam/hubalallah.html

The most devastating proof that Allah is the moon god is the fact that Mohammed referenced his daughters in the "satanic verses" of the koran that he personally expunged.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All%C4%81t

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man%C4%81t

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-%E2%80%98Uzz%C3%A1

Referenced in Qur'an Sura 53:19-23 that was later taken out. The first major islamic historian Ibn Ishaq referenced it in the first biography of Mohammed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Ishaq

Its something that Islamic scholars really really want to pretend doesnt exist.

That creates 2 problems. Mohammad put all kinds of wickedness as a curse on any one that tampered with his manifesto. If Muslims follow the corrupted version where this is taken out, Mohammad says they must be cursed,

Sura 3. 61 translated by Shakir
"But whoever disputes with you in this matter after what has come to you of knowledge, then say: Come let us call our sons and your sons and our women and your women and our near people and your near people, then let us be earnest in prayer, and pray for the curse of Allah on the liars."

There are seven Qurans.
http://www.thespiritofislam.com/text/Q11.html

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Apocrypha

The moon god of Mohammeds tribe that was worshiped in Mecca, otherwise known as Allah.

http://www.studytoanswer.net/islam/hubalallah.html

The most devastating proof that Allah is the moon god is the fact that Mohammed referenced his daughters in the "satanic verses" of the koran that he personally expunged.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All%C4%81t

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man%C4%81t

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-%E2%80%98Uzz%C3%A1

Referenced in Qur'an Sura 53:19-23 that was later taken out. The first major islamic historian Ibn Ishaq referenced it in the first biography of Mohammed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Ishaq

Its something that Islamic scholars really really want to pretend doesnt exist.

Ok, but consider that Allah is also the Arabic word for "God", just as Elohim is for God in our bible. Elohim derives from the heathenistic semitic cultures that Abraham lived in before he was called to follow The one True Elohim.

Yes I understand and know about pre-islamic religion. In fact they were into goddess worship as well (you can see this in the Kaaba too), but supposedly Muhammed denouced all that to follow the One true Allah or God. The same God as the Jews, though the Jews were misguided in their view.

Im not an apologist for Muhammed or the Koran but I don't think it's a great argument that the they worshipped the Moon god before Muhammed supposedly got his revelations

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

This is a pointless, completely worn out argument and I'm not jumping in. You're so wrong it's pathetic so why bother. I'm absolutely born again and no, I haven't spoken in tongues.

Now, back to Dedicated Obama Mind.

Hmmmmm

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

This is a pointless, completely worn out argument and I'm not jumping in. You're so wrong it's pathetic so why bother. I'm absolutely born again and no, I haven't spoken in tongues.

Now, back to Dedicated Obama Mind.

Prove the error.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Ok, but consider that Allah is also the Arabic word for "God", just as Elohim is for God in our bible. Elohim derives from the heathenistic semitic cultures that Abraham lived in before he was called to follow The one True Elohim.
Yes I understand and know about pre-islamic religion. In fact they were into goddess worship as well (you can see this in the Kaaba too), but supposedly Muhammed denouced all that to follow the One true Allah or God. The same God as the Jews, though the Jews were misguided in their view.

Im not an apologist for Muhammed or the Koran but I don't think it's a great argument that the they worshipped the Moon god before Muhammed supposedly got his revelations

My Uncle ran a school and mission for Arabic Muslims since the 50's. In africa, the Muslims remain in saying the god of Abraham was their god. Then immediately they claim that this god never spoke to Abraham and said "God will provide Himself a sacrifice not do they admit the call to offer Isaac.

(2) The Quran never said that God told Abraham to kill (sacrifice) his son. Instead, the Quran teaches us that Abraham had a dream in which he saw himself slaughtering his son. Abraham believed the dream and thought that the dream was from God (The Quran never said the dream was from God). The choice of the wording in the Quran is crucial. No word was chosen by accident or out of control. Every word and expression was deliberately chosen by God.

(5)

Because Abraham thought the dream was from God and he proceeded to sacrifice his son Ismail, God sent him the lamb to be sacrificed instead, and to save the son, and the father-son sacred relationship

The Quran's account

[37:102] When he grew enough to work with him, he said, "My son, I see in a dream that I am sacrificing you. What do you think?" He said, "O my father, do what you are commanded to do. You will find me, GOD willing, patient."
[37:103] They both submitted, and he put his forehead down (to sacrifice him).
[37:104] We called him: "O Abraham.
[37:105] "You have believed the dream." We thus reward the righteous.
[37:106] That was an exacting test indeed.
[37:107] We ransomed (Ismail) by substituting an animal sacrifice.
[37:108] And we preserved his history for subsequent generations.
[37:109] Peace be upon Abraham.
[37:110] We thus reward the righteous.
[37:111] He is one of our believing servants.
Bible

Take now thy son, thy only [son] Isaac