Burning the Koran

[Aquila]

We'd do something if a man cried, "Fire!" in a crowded mall. Since this man's actions could cost life, he should be stopped in my opinion. Yes, we have "freedom of speech". But when that "speech" could cost someone life, liberty, or property it's actually the duty of the government to step in and do something. The man can rant about Islam from behind his pulpit all day long. But to do this and make a public spectacle out of it for publicity is just horrendous. That's my opinion.

Maybe he wants his church to be bombed. I'm sure the insurance claim will help them buy better facilities.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I agree that the pastor is making a bad decision--but he does have the right, as an American citizen, to make bad decisions.

Does an American have the right to say or do something that might endanger the life, liberty, or property of another American? I'd be in costody for yelling "Fire" in a crowded public place. I couldn't argue, "Free Speech". I have the right to drink and being licensed, I can drive. However, I can't drink and drive endangering the lives of others. Liberty isn't a free for all. If one's actions endangers the life, liberty, or property of another there should be a way to address it.

The lack of any real "international repercussions" for Muslims wanting to build a mosque is very revealing.

I think you're looking at it from the wrong end. Of course Muslims will not react negatively to building the mosque. However, the philosophical underpinnings of Islam will see it as a "victory", thus emboldening our enemies. They'll see it as a victory at the hands of Allah. Also, building the mosque might incite violent reprisals against Muslim citizens. It's a serious concern.

In a way... what this pastor is doing is as bad or worse than Muslims wanting to build a mosque adjacent to Ground Zero.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Jermyn... they don't care. They just want to make a "statement" even if it makes the situation worse for our troops or incites reprisals against innocent Americans at home or abroad. For them, they just want to beat a drum and appear strong and tough. The rioting, outrage, and inflamed hostilties that will result are just not important to them. If anyone is killed over this pastor's actions they'll just say, "See, Muslims are violent. Burn more Korans!" And it starts a crazy cycle of increasing violence and hostilities.

Oddly enough, no one will be able to say this unless there actually IS a violent response. We'll see what happens if the pastor goes ahead with his plan. Personally, I don't support his actions because I think they are unChristian and generally unwise. However, it's hypocritical for anyone to support flag burning, Bible burning, offensive art, etc. in the name of freedom and then condemn the pastor for burning the Quran.

Some people love watching the news and hearing about how Muslims killed more troops or how Muslims killed more innocent people. In their minds it validates their feelings towards Muslims. They don't care if lives are lost.

I don't know of anyone who truly enjoys lives being lost. I know I don't like those sorts of newscasts. However, if there is a violent response to the pastor's actions, you can be sure that it will be pointed out and rightfully so. That doesn't mean I don't care if lives are lost. It means we are correct when we say that extremist Muslims predictably react violently to minor offenses while Christians (even the extreme factions) normally do NOT. I wouldn't be surprised if the pastor's life were in grave danger over his decision--and frankly, that's a shame.

Even the verbally violent Westboro Baptist church who I find to be abhorrent and shameful have still limited themselves to verbal expression. They are offensive and terrible, but yet they haven't resorted to physical violence. (Although if there was any group I would suspect of having the capability, it would be the WBC!) Can we say the same about Muslim extremists? Absolutely not. A negative reaction from an extremist Muslim is much more fearful than from a Christian Quack.

[whoami]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Does an American have the right to say or do something that might endanger the life, liberty, or property of another American? I'd be in costody for yelling "Fire" in a crowded public place. I couldn't argue, "Free Speech". I have the right to drink and being licensed, I can drive. However, I can't drink and drive endangering the lives of others. Liberty isn't a free for all. If one's actions endangers the life, liberty, or property of another there should be a way to address it.

Interesting point...

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Oddly enough, no one will be able to say this unless there actually IS a violent response. We'll see what happens if the pastor goes ahead with his plan. Personally, I don't support his actions because I think they are unChristian and generally unwise. However, it's hypocritical for anyone to support flag burning, Bible burning, offensive art, etc. in the name of freedom and then condemn the pastor for burning the Quran.

Ah... but condemning the foolish actions of another is freedom of speech also. Calling on the authorities to look into legal options to stop him is freedom of speech also. We can condemn flag burning, Bible burning, offensive art and anything we feel is vial. That's our right.

Now... I know for a FACT that bulletons are being sent to law enforcement and aviation security personel to be extra vigilent because of feared reprisals to this man's actions. This isn't a joke. It's dangerous. One could argue yelling "Fire" in a crowded public place isn't wrong because no one knows if someone will get hurt yet. But it's still illegal.

Flag burning, Bible burning, and offenseive art doesn't endanger the life, liberties, or property of another. Inciting violent reprisals by burning a Koran or yelling FIRE in a crowded place does.

I don't know of anyone who truly enjoys lives being lost. I know I don't like those sorts of newscasts. However, if there is a violent response to the pastor's actions, you can be sure that it will be pointed out and rightfully so. That doesn't mean I don't care if lives are lost. It means we are correct when we say that extremist Muslims predictably react violently to minor offenses while Christians (even the extreme factions) normally do NOT. I wouldn't be surprised if the pastor's life were in grave danger over his decision--and frankly, that's a shame.

If you can rationalize supporting him, you've obviously rationalized how to respond to the possiblity of lives lost.

Even the verbally violent Westboro Baptist church who I find to be abhorrent and shameful have still limited themselves to verbal expression. They are offensive and terrible, but yet they haven't resorted to physical violence. (Although if there was any group I would suspect of having the capability, it would be the WBC!) Can we say the same about Muslim extremists? Absolutely not. A negative reaction from an extremist Muslim is much more fearful than from a Christian Quack.

Exactly. Thus we should denounce and condemn this pastor. I'd yank his license and file public endangerment charges against him at the very least.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Ah... but condemning the foolish actions of another is freedom of speech also. Calling on the authorities to look into legal options to stop him is freedom of speech also. We can condemn flag burning, Bible burning, offensive art and anything we feel is vial. That's our right.

Now... I know for a FACT that bulletons are being sent to law enforcement and aviation security personel to be extra vigilent because of feared reprisals to this man's actions. This isn't a joke. It's dangerous. One could argue yelling "Fire" in a crowded public place isn't wrong because no one knows if someone will get hurt yet. But it's still illegal.

Flag burning, Bible burning, and offenseive art doesn't endanger the life, liberties, or property of another. Inciting violent reprisals by burning a Koran or yelling FIRE in a crowded place does.




If you can rationalize supporting him, you've obviously rationalized how to respond to the possiblity of lives lost.



Exactly.

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You seem very intolerant. But you can't explain how Obama was tight with Bill Ayers who actually with his wife did kill cops and bomb places. The Weathermen were terrorists for real. Of course they are leftists so they get a pass. Bill Ayers is now a Muslim. You have different standards for the actual terrorists.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by whoami

I don't think Jesus would burn Korans if he was on earth in the flesh today. Doesn't seem to fit in with "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Sure they have the legal right to do it, but that doesn't make it a good idea. My husband is in the military, has been for 13 years, and it really worries me to think about the backlash from such a pointless publicity stunt.

I don't understand those who would want to play that backlash down.

[StillStanding]

We have millions of Muslim frenzied maniacs ready to declare war on Christians at the drop of a hat. The Koran burning may be the spark that ignites the explosion. It may eventually happen anyway, but why provoke it sooner?

I fear that the Koran burning will trigger church burnings and Christian executions worldwide. These Muslim morons are mostly simpletons that will do the dirty work of the more intelligent "believers" who use these idiots for political purposes.

The Muslims seem have no sense of morality or value humanity. Taking a hundred lives in response to a book burning will be applauded and praised in the Muslim community as an appropriate response.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

We have millions of Muslim frenzied maniacs ready to declare war on Christians at the drop of a hat. The Koran burning may be the spark that ignites the explosion. It may eventually happen anyway, but why provoke it sooner?

I fear that the Koran burning will trigger church burnings and Christian executions worldwide. These Muslim morons are mostly simpletons that will do the dirty work of the more intelligent "believers" who use these idiots for political purposes.

The Muslims seem have no sense of morality or value humanity. Taking a hundred lives in response to a book burning will be applauded and praised in the Muslim community as an appropriate response.

By MARGERY A. BECK
Associated Press
OMAHA — A judge's final ruling overturning Nebraska's flag-desecration law includes an order for the state to pay part of the $8,000 in attorney fees to the Kansas church member who filed the lawsuit — a bill that will be footed by state taxpayers.
The order issued Thursday by U.S. District Judge Richard Kopf names several prosecutors and law enforcement officials involved in the case as responsible parties. Nebraska Attorney General Jon Bruning and Nebraska State Patrol Commander Bryan Tuma are responsible for $3,500, which will come from state funds.

Members of the Topeka-based Westboro Baptist Church travel around the country to protest at military funerals because they believe U.S. troop deaths are punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality. Church members often trample on the U.S. flag, wear it and display it upside-down as part of their protests.

"Anytime we have to pay people as repulsive as the people of Westboro it's painful, but state statutes allow for the collection of attorney's fees," Bruning said Friday.

Phelps is a fine Liberal and Democrat.
Aquila and Twisp are in his party.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by coadie

By MARGERY A. BECK
Associated Press
OMAHA — A judge's final ruling overturning Nebraska's flag-desecration law includes an order for the state to pay part of the $8,000 in attorney fees to the Kansas church member who filed the lawsuit — a bill that will be footed by state taxpayers.
The order issued Thursday by U.S. District Judge Richard Kopf names several prosecutors and law enforcement officials involved in the case as responsible parties. Nebraska Attorney General Jon Bruning and Nebraska State Patrol Commander Bryan Tuma are responsible for $3,500, which will come from state funds.

Members of the Topeka-based Westboro Baptist Church travel around the country to protest at military funerals because they believe U.S. troop deaths are punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality. Church members often trample on the U.S. flag, wear it and display it upside-down as part of their protests.

"Anytime we have to pay people as repulsive as the people of Westboro it's painful, but state statutes allow for the collection of attorney's fees," Bruning said Friday.

Phelps is a fine Liberal and Democrat.
Aquila and Twisp are in his party.

This a FEW (maybe a hundred+?) frenzied Christian maniacs compared to millions of Muslim frenzied maniacs! Also, as far as I know, nobody has been executed or car bombed by this Christian maniac group! Don't expect the same from the Muslims!