Reaching tentacles of the Social Justice movement

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by coadie

Need to get your stories straight. Unions claim credit for the same list. Unions are not the social justice movement at all.
The unions and the social justice folks have the same enemies?

Labor unions are just one element of the social justice movement. And I'm not to big on their function today.

[Aquila]

If one researches the social justice movments of England and the late 1800's in the United States, you'll find they were inspired by Christians with a national vision of social compassion. Sadly, secularists took their vision and twisted it into the monstrocity you see today. Labor unions actually had a chaplain and set Memorial Day meetings where they gathered for the spiritual good of the American worker.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Coadie... I'm not big on Unions... but I am in one and I know the history of labor laws. If not for those fighting for social justice in this area you're kids would still be working in sweat shops. So get real.

That is not true about kids. The drop in family size and automation replaced the need for child labor. It is funny that my experience comes from knowing the history from the academic side. I don't rely on word of mouth from union shills. My experience is on the side of arbitration and representing the railroads and not the unions.
Let's take the topic back to social justice. Unions are not much of the conversation.

[Dimples]

coadie, what profession are you in that allows you so much time to be on the internet?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

While I disagree with movements that are Christian-based but solely driven by social justice, there's no denying the reality of adequate theology behind "defending the poor, disenfranchised, widows, orphans, powerless," etc. Anyone who says otherwise needs to do some reading.

If Glen Beck is noticing many of his opponents use social justice to combat some of the Republican/Conservative ideas, then he needn't take on those who believe in social justice, stick with taking on their ideas and explain why they won't work. Beck telling people to run from churches that believe in being involved in social justice is more sickening to me. I know he wouldn't like the someone putting a theological metric to his LDS faith.

Coadie, you told Aquila it was legislation. That's silly. Legislation doesn't create itself, draft itself, get enough public support to be important all on it's own.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95bcEb1rV18

Al Sharpton talks it up. He drives an Escalade. Not very equal.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by vrblackwell

Social justice is a code word which means take from those who have worked hard and give it to those who are unwilling to work hard.

Kinda the opposite of the scriptures?

Now when he saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to Him, 2and He began to teach them, saying:

3Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.

5Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.

6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness,

for they will be filled.

7Blessed are the merciful, for they shall be shown mercy.

8Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

9Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the sons of God.

10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Social justice makes a lot of demands.

[kindofbelieve]

Social Justice is slavery with religious garments on. Any charity that is forced is not charity but slavery -- or theft. Take your pick. But what do you expect from a group of people who want to help people with other people's money?

I have no problem helping my fellow man. I do it often. I have a problem with some idiot with utopian stars in his/her eyes using a gun to steal my money and give it to someone else... after taking an 80% cut, of course.

[kindofbelieve]

For the record, that also includes stealing my money to help others obtain democracy, or obtain foreign oil, or any other form of government intervention.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Aquila

We need to be careful not to paint with a broad brush here. Remember, social justice movements brought us women's rights to work and vote, vanquished child labor, brought us safety standards in the work place, brought us liveable wages, and most importantly... the weekend. lol

I agree that we need social justice. It's just that it probably should not be government sponsored except for police and judges and the like. I think social programs are mostly a waste.

[kindofbelieve]

Originally Posted by ILG

I agree that we need social justice. It's just that it probably should not be government sponsored except for police and judges and the like. I think social programs are mostly a waste.

Exactly... except that I don't think there should be any government sponsored anything... if we as normal people did what the government does -- we'd be considered criminal.