Reaching tentacles of the Social Justice movement

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by coadie

Read some history. Then tell us if we are a democracy.

What's the difference? According to my Merriam-Webster:

•Democracy — Government by the people; government in which the supreme power is retained by the people and exercised either directly (Ablsolute, or pure), or indirectly (representative).

•Republic — A state in which the sovereign power resides in a certain body of the people (the electorate), and is exercised by representatives elected by, and responsible to, them.
Articles I and II of the Constitution are very explicit: We choose representatives and they make the rules that we live by until its time to choose again. Thank God we don't have to run down to the townhall, the statehouse, or the nation's capitol to decide every question.

Power in proxy.

What's your beef? Do you realize if not for representative government, without electorate colleges, etc... you'd really not have a voice? You see, this is just one way we make sure as best we can in a flawed system how the powerful do not trample the powerless.

What does your Utopia look like?

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by coadie

Read some history. Then tell us if we are a democracy.
What's the difference? According to my Merriam-Webster:

•Democracy — Government by the people; government in which the supreme power is retained by the people and exercised either directly (Ablsolute, or pure), or indirectly (representative).

•Republic — A state in which the sovereign power resides in a certain body of the people (the electorate), and is exercised by representatives elected by, and responsible to, them.
Articles I and II of the Constitution are very explicit: We choose representatives and they make the rules that we live by until its time to choose again. Thank God we don't have to run down to the townhall, the statehouse, or the nation's capitol to decide every question.

Are you sure it's the Constitution this time?

[kindofbelieve]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Well then, I ask you to legally define "consent"

(Do you view all taxes as stealing? Curious)

I define using force to take, without my consent, my property as theft -- yes. I refuse to allow other people to frame the world through their lenses so that they can then abuse others.

Consent - to give assent or approval. From Merriam Webster.

I don't need a law degree to tell me what consent is. We all know what theft is and what consent is. Such is a lawyer (except for ILG - she's a lawyer, right? ) -- that makes our language convoluted, loopholed, and obfuscated as to be able to warp the language.

Want it more simple? If I say you can't have it and you take it anyway -- it is theft.

- very black and white. Which usually stands out in a world of grey.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Power in proxy.

What's your beef? Do you realize if not for representative government, without electorate colleges, etc... you'd really not have a voice? You see, this is just one way we make sure as best we can in a flawed system how the powerful do not trample the powerless.

What does your Utopia look like?

Can you prove that?

I am sure you do not realize when a judge in California ruled against 7 million voters that expressed their desires on gay marriage, we don't have the government you think we have.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

You see, this is just one way we make sure as best we can in a flawed system how the powerful do not trample the powerless.

What does your Utopia look like?

See, here's the thing. Our country is in a mess......but we do have some great processes in place.

Indeed, what should our Utopia look like? I do wonder that as I listen to some ranting I sometimes watch on youtube.

[kindofbelieve]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

But with a twist. You insist you are being robbed. I'm telling you aren't because you live in a representative democracy that you participate with (I'd imagine), vote for, and then collectively accept the results. That's not exactly thievery. If you still refuse to see that you aren't being robbed, I'd go somewhere where I'm not being so victimized. That's all.

Nah.. I like it here... born here... Texas is hot, though...

I used to participate when I thought it made a difference. It doesn't; so I won't participate. What's that saying? If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal.

As Etienne de la Boetie states in The Politics of Obedience: The Discourse of Voluntary Servitude: "Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces." I have began pulling my support from the tyrant.

[kindofbelieve]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Ah, so it's not that they are kidnapping you, they are enforcing a law that you refuse to obey. You are very loosely and creatively referring to that as kidnapping. And no, they won't assault you, unless you resist them.

I do not see that law as legitimate. Legislation does not make something law -- merely the appearance of it which people either choose to follow... or not...

Admittedly, I realize that there are consequences to thumbing my nose at the tyrant. The question is whether there should be consequences.

[kindofbelieve]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Or is it?

BTW, what's your solution?

It is...

I'm still working on that... I have an idea I'm pursuing at this point but, in the end, true liberty and freedom won't be seen in my lifetime... perhaps not even my kids lifetime... but I have began teaching my kids that it can be found and to be patient.

And, for the record, I do not believe in violence as a solution for anything. Before people start lumping me into the wacko box...

[kindofbelieve]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Power in proxy.

What's your beef? Do you realize if not for representative government, without electorate colleges, etc... you'd really not have a voice? You see, this is just one way we make sure as best we can in a flawed system how the powerful do not trample the powerless.

What does your Utopia look like?

I don't think he has one now...

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Power in proxy.

What's your beef? Do you realize if not for representative government, without electorate colleges, etc... you'd really not have a voice? You see, this is just one way we make sure as best we can in a flawed system how the powerful do not trample the powerless.

What does your Utopia look like?

This tells me you need to read the law.

Of the thousands of proposals that have been made to amend the Constitution, only 33 obtained the necessary two-thirds vote in Congress. Of those 33, only 27 amendments (including ...

The ammendments limit the government. That is how we protect the people from the government that is going socialist on us.