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09-15-2010, 06:35 PM
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Re: Reaching tentacles of the Social Justice movem
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Meaning anarchy as a philosophy breaks down illogically.
What does it look like? Look at Rawanda and other third-world countries where there is no law. They are all "FREE" people though  |
Actually, there is law. Usually war-lord, tribal, sort of law.
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09-15-2010, 06:35 PM
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Re: Reaching tentacles of the Social Justice movem
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I only assume because you wish me to define words that are rather self explanatory. Which usually points to someone who doesn't believe that things are static, rather that they are relative depending upon perception and perspective.
Um... no...
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Self-explanatory? Really?
Freedom as a concept... freedom that is your main straw... freedom you don't believe any country currently really has... what is it?
You can use Merriam again if you want. Go for it.
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09-15-2010, 06:36 PM
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Re: Reaching tentacles of the Social Justice movem
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Actually, there is law. Usually war-lord, tribal, sort of law.
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Doesn't law infringe on people's freedom?
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09-15-2010, 06:39 PM
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Re: Reaching tentacles of the Social Justice movem
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I already have. You made up this thing called "true" freedom. So explain what it is. I really want to know. Where is freedom where the people do not give up certain rights for the rights of the whole? Where is freedom where there are no laws? Where is freedom where there is no give-and-take? Please show me where it exists.
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And you assume that because there is no state-sponsored law that there can be no possible, and advantageous, human interaction. The idea that anarchy is lacking ethical and voluntary interaction is a misunderstanding, based on the basis that the only way those things can exist is through a monopoly of force - aka the state.
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09-15-2010, 06:40 PM
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Re: Reaching tentacles of the Social Justice movem
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Self-explanatory? Really?
Freedom as a concept... freedom that is your main straw... freedom you don't believe any country currently really has... what is it?
You can use Merriam again if you want. Go for it.
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hmmm... maybe liberty would work for you...
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09-15-2010, 06:41 PM
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Re: Reaching tentacles of the Social Justice movem
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Doesn't law infringe on people's freedom?
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Didn't say I agreed with it... it is a form of state merely different than democracy.
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09-15-2010, 06:46 PM
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Re: Reaching tentacles of the Social Justice movem
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And you assume that because there is no state-sponsored law that there can be no possible, and advantageous, human interaction. The idea that anarchy is lacking ethical and voluntary interaction is a misunderstanding, based on the basis that the only way those things can exist is through a monopoly of force - aka the state.
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Monopoly of force?
Does what you describe above work for 800 million people? Or a village of 20?
So you will admit that law actually can help preserve freedom?
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09-15-2010, 06:48 PM
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Re: Reaching tentacles of the Social Justice movem
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hmmm... maybe liberty would work for you...
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What is this utopian view of liberty you have? In its essence? Your ideas of liberty and freedom are foreign to John Locke and Thomas Jefferson.
Have you ever seen your ideas work? Where? Quality of life?
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Re: Reaching tentacles of the Social Justice movem
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Didn't say I agreed with it... it is a form of state merely different than democracy.
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What is your position exactly?
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09-15-2010, 06:52 PM
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Re: Reaching tentacles of the Social Justice movem
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Doesn't law infringe on people's freedom?
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Where would you come up with that?
I take it you have no law classes.
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