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Old 09-17-2010, 03:33 PM
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Re: In What Way Is God Complete?

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The word implies full development, growth into maturity of godliness, not sinless perfection.
Ok then it should really read:

Be ye therefore fully developed and growing into maturity of godliness EVEN AS your Father which is in Heaven is fully developed and maturing into godliness.

The disciple is being told "telios" EVEN AS the Father in Heaven is "telios".

So if telios means "being fully developed and growing into maturity" when it is what Jesus tells US to be then THAT must be how the Father IS because the same word is then used of HIM.

Is the Father GROWING INTO GODLINESS?

Why should we assume this does not imply being perfect as to holiness?

Look at what YHWH commands through the writing of Peter.

But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
1 Peter 1:15-16

Note how SIMILAR this verse is to Matt. 5:48

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Matt. 5:48

Could it be they sound so similar because they are communicating the same message?

Apostolic friends the answer is yes!

What would be so unusual about Jesus commanding his people to be perfect as the Father is perfect when the apostle Peter tells them to be HOLY as he is HOLY?
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Old 09-17-2010, 03:44 PM
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Re: In What Way Is God Complete?

Also consider,

If "telios" means be fully developed and growing into godliness would not a fully developed, godly Christian be able to cease from sin?

Note how Peter addresses NEW BORN BABES in Christ.

Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby
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The apostle expected the BABES to lay aside ALL malice, ALL guile, hypocrisy, envy, and ALL evil speakings.

Now if the baby Christian is supposed to do THESE THINGS would it not be safe to assume a fully developed Son Of God would be able to put sin behind him or her self?
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