Here's an article in the NY Times - the term down-low is popular in the black culture. Churches in this area are recognizing it's becoming a problem in their churches and are addressing the issues. They are teaching their young people that just because the down-low rappers sing about it doesn't make it so.
Are there gays in other organizations - of course!!! However, I'm not sure other organizations are ready or willing to address the problem straight on like some of these others are.
Saying you're not painting with a broad brush is not evidence that you are indeed not painting with a broad brush. Making this a problem with black preachers is not only wrong in my opinion, it flies in the face of a great percentage of the stories that break about this sort of abuse in churches. I just didn't understand the need for the distinction.
Either way, I'm not attempting to hang anyone with this.
I didn't even know about this phenemona until today. It is prayer room time.
Sex can take down a man in the pulpit. This can somewhat crumble a denomination. I am surprised the Catholic deal didn't get more extensevily wiped out.
The gays want to calll the Catholic news as mere pedophilia. It is homosexuality and pedophilia.
It appears to me that the black community is just far more willing to address the issue than whites.
Any proof of that assertion? The Amish may not address it because they don't have that problem. They stay home at night. Of course they doubled in the last 10 years in population even tho their retention is a mere 85%.
If you wanted to make a big deal out of the wording of his post, so be it-- but what you got from it and what I got from it are two different things.
JD I agree with you on this. I didn't receive the same thoughts that Mr. Smith did from MOW's post. I think what MOW said has been "broadbrushed!" into more than he said. He spoke of what he had knowledge of, and even mentioned that he, (I believe he said), fellowshipped with more blacks than whites. If he had no knowledge of whites and "down-low," he could not speak about them. He spoke of what he knew the most about.
I guess the "shooters" can go ahead and shoot at me now and give MOW a little relief. .... "Just shoot up here among us, some of us need relief!" Thanks Jerry Clower for that remark! I guess we need a Mississippi Squirel revival!
Bishop Long should be really proud of MOW's remarks. MOW's remarks sure changed the rhythm of the post ...... "Charismatic Bishop In Lawsuit!" and Bishop Long is getting "a little relief!"
BT
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If MOW would have said, "I am personally aware of this type of behavior among some preachers", this thread would have died 10+ pages ago. But he didn't, did he. He inserted one key word in there that makes this a really big issue, and frankly, I think it's the worst thing I've ever seen on AFF.
As far as your other observations.....the mind is too boggled at the moment to even know what to say. Keep smokin' what you're smokin', I guess, because it's an interesting racism-free planet you live on. Wish I was there with you.
You excuse horrible incidents as "Moments of fury" so I guess it was ok in "moments of fury" when blacks were lynched repeatedly in the south by the KKK, or when crosses are burned, or when my black doctor has been stopped now over 40 times because they thought he stole his Mercedes, or when D-I schools simply will not hire black head coaches, or when the University of Chicago found that whites are 8 times more likely to be called for a job interview than blacks with identical qualifications....."Moments of fury", all of them. Sure.
JD I agree with you on this. I didn't receive the same thoughts that Mr. Smith did from MOW's post. I think what MOW said has been "broadbrushed!" into more than he said. He spoke of what he had knowledge of, and even mentioned that he, (I believe he said), fellowshipped with more blacks than whites. If he had no knowledge of whites and "down-low," he could not speak about them. He spoke of what he knew the most about.
I guess the "shooters" can go ahead and shoot at me now and give MOW a little relief. .... "Just shoot up here among us, some of us need relief!" Thanks Jerry Clower for that remark! I guess we need a Mississippi Squirel revival!
Bishop Long should be really proud of MOW's remarks. MOW's remarks sure changed the rhythm of the post ...... "Charismatic Bishop In Lawsuit!" and Bishop Long is getting "a little relief!"
BT
The problem is, BT, race was NEVER mentioned in this thread, or anywhere else I've seen or heard the Long issue discussed. Honestly, it's never crossed my mind. So why not just say, "I know of this with several preachers" rather than, "Black preachers"? Why even bring it up? I think that's a fair question. Why bring it up? This is a problem in our society, in the ministry, in our schools, etc., and it has NOTHING to do with race. ZILCH. Nothing! Why bring race into the picture when this is NOT a racial problem?
I cannot figure out why MOW would even need to use the word. NO ONE brought it up, until he said it was a problem with black preachers.
I never respond to your posts anymore because they're just all too stupid to even process, but since others will wonder about this, the university sent out 10,000 applications, 5,000 with fairly obvious "white names" and 5,000 with obviously more "creative" names more common in the African-American culture.
Speaking of, I noticed that DAII is attempting to have you banished from his new "Office." Not a bad idea!
The "down low" issue is simply a reflection that the black community, as a whole, is far less accepting of outright homosexuality than some others. This results in some people who have those "tendencies" not coming out like some others. This is not something that was started because of problems in churches in particular.
You nailed it. Being on the DL is a term that reflects a value in which many in the black community don't tolerate homosexuality within the community. It is frowned upon with impunity in many circles. The term exists not as a banner of flagrant or prevalent behavior but rather an admission that some are hesitant to be open because of being ostracized.
It may be the influence of churches in the African-American community that has led to this moral value that refuses to accept this sin.
JD I agree with you on this. I didn't receive the same thoughts that Mr. Smith did from MOW's post. I think what MOW said has been "broadbrushed!" into more than he said. He spoke of what he had knowledge of, and even mentioned that he, (I believe he said), fellowshipped with more blacks than whites. If he had no knowledge of whites and "down-low," he could not speak about them. He spoke of what he knew the most about.
I guess the "shooters" can go ahead and shoot at me now and give MOW a little relief. .... "Just shoot up here among us, some of us need relief!" Thanks Jerry Clower for that remark! I guess we need a Mississippi Squirel revival!
Bishop Long should be really proud of MOW's remarks. MOW's remarks sure changed the rhythm of the post ...... "Charismatic Bishop In Lawsuit!" and Bishop Long is getting "a little relief!"
BT
Let me preface this by saying that I have tried to be very careful at not shooting at MOW. From every thing I know about him he appears to be a great guy and pastor (I said as much earlier in the thread).
That being said, how do you interpret "I am personally aware of this type of behavior among some black preachers"?
Person A: Yao Ming steals from little old ladies.
Person B: I am personally aware of this type of behavior among some Chinese people.
What is Person C supposed to derive from this?
Once again, I am not trying to hang MOW. I'm wondering what you deduce from the statement. I've stated earlier in this thread the reason that I even get involved in these sorts of threads.
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I never respond to your posts anymore because they're just all too stupid to even process, but since others will wonder about this, the university sent out 10,000 applications, 5,000 with fairly obvious "white names" and 5,000 with obviously more "creative" names more common in the African-American culture.
Speaking of, I noticed that DAII is attempting to have you banished from his new "Office." Not a bad idea!
You just used a dishonest stereotyping method yourself. You are racist. My aunt, uncle and children are African-American and white. You do it for purposes of a presumption of black. It is your stereotyping. In fact, the northern tier of countries are some Europeans Whites and mostly Arabs. They are Africans until they come here. Then they become African hyphen American.
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