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Originally Posted by onefaith2
And you have the right to be wrong that nothing happens in Baptism. My Bible tells me different and so does the entire history of the church up until the Protestant reformation where that doctrine of baptism is only the answer to faith originated. I understand you are oneness and I agree we can have unity but the bible cannot amen you saying nothing happens in baptism and neither would peter or Paul.
The verses you quote does not override Paul's teaching of Baptism in Romans 6 and Galatians 3. The context of that verse in Corinthians was unity, but that had division based ON WHO baptized them. Paul never taught baptism was not required to put one into Christ's death.
I fail to see how baptism is a work. please elaborate
You are right, I can relearn and I have over and over again. I'm not your typical apostolic who has accepted every doctrine in the UPCI. on the contrary I've questioned every doctrine and found the HG confirming the truth that what they teach concerning baptism is right and true. We must be born of the water and of the Spirit. We must be baptized to fulfill the example of christ and to go into his death.
Everyone on this forum, be ware of the doctrine that nothing happens in baptism. Its false.
The mistake many apostolics are making is saying the blood is applied at baptism. Thats nonsense in light of scripture. The blood is applied at repentance and a soul is justified before God at repentence. However in order to DIE to your sin, you must be buried with Jesus.
about Paul
"For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified." 1 Corinthians 2:2
There's nothing about baptism here.
"For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1 Corinthians 1:17
Paul makes a distinction-if you'll read the context-between baptism and the preached gospel. Paul CLEARLY explains in verse 18 that gospel he preached:
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God." 1 Corinthians 1:18
Already comented on why Paul said these things.. please read the chapter but notice the bold. The people he is talking to are already baptized and already saved. Therefore he is not telling us to go around telling those who are lost, once you believe you are going to heaven! |
Romans 6,
"even so we also should walk in newness of life"
Galatians 3, entire chapter is a refutation of works.
You asked me to elaborate on baptism, something I'd done for a few days now, but you don't get it.
As far as your comment,
"Everyone on this forum, be ware of the doctrine that nothing happens in baptism. Its false." Are you the pope or something? You must have some SERIOUS credentials.
Any student of the Bible understands the Jewish writing method of synthetic parallelisms, where the thought presented in a statement is reinforced or clarified by the second. Some great examples can be found in Psalms and the Song. Another example is found in John chapter 3. I do NOT follow the water/spirit born again theory presented by A.D. Urshan in that water baptism represents some kind of spiritual cleansing and is absolutely necessary for forgiveness of sins. If Urshan understood parallelisms he obviously did not think it applied to
John 3.
What doth the scripture say?
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. John 3:5
Ok, what does Jesus mean by water? He explains it completely in the verse following:
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6
His comparison to the word
water is clarified with the word
flesh and makes a clear distinction between one birth and the other. One is born once, water/flesh, and then one is born
again not of water, but of the spirit. Consider how Jesus further explained the mystery of being born again to a well-meaning but spiritually blind Nicodemus,
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. John 3:8
There is
no mention of water in this statement. If water baptism was indeed part of the second birth Jesus would have said, "
so is everyone that is born of the water and the Spirit". He didn't need to, because he had already made clear to Nicodemus what he meant in saying,
"that which is born of the flesh is flesh." 
If you don't understand parallelisms then I'd suggest some time studying what they are.
I could agree to disagree agreeably but right now you aren't capable of responding in kind. Your responses to someone disagreeing always fall along the lines that you know the truth and anyone not believing like YOU is wrong. A better spirit would help.
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