The Flaw in Libertarian Ideals

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by coadie

It kinda says they understand the consequences of not having rural fire service when the majority of calls were rural.

Yep.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by coadie

In 2008 the county had a meeting and didn't want a county wide program.

http://troy.troytn.com/Obion%20Count...Commission.pdf

38 page report.

Not that bright at all.

Still, I think that there is something not right about what happened here.


The government is for the people and by the people.

Seems as if there just were not enough smart people in this particular county.

[rgcraig]

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...hters-who-let/

[rgcraig]

"Reavis said he operates his all-volunteer, unpaid fire department on $8,000 a year. "

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39535911/ns/us_news-life/

[coadie]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

"Reavis said he operates his all-volunteer, unpaid fire department on $8,000 a year. "

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39535911/ns/us_news-life/

This case is strange.

With Medical insurance we will be unable to reject people for preexisting conditions. Buy insurance when you get sick.

I am suspicious on the 8,000 dollar budget. Do they buy insurance for the trucks and workers?

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local...104052668.html


The problem with libertarianism is that it leads to people trying to teach others "lessons" about their bad choices. If you have the POWER to prevent a catastrophe and you do NOT, whether you are a government entity or an individual, it is morally reprehensible.

A doctor has a moral obligation to assist a dying person even if that person NEVER pays their bills. For a doctor to check with his secretary first to make sure the patient pays their bill, and THEN determine whether he/she will offer life saving assistance is an illustration of greed and inhumanity.

Likewise, for men who fight fires for a living to allow a member of their community to lose everything because he failed to pay a $75 fee? It's completely un-American. I don't care if the homeowner is a selfish miser who gambled the wrong way with his personal property; it was still immoral for that FD to stand there and do nothing. I can't imagine the MEN I know doing something like that.

What do you think? Do you think this FD did the right thing? What if someone had been trapped inside and died in the fire? (Other than the family pets, who did die in the fire.)

Does this apply to God?

If so he has a lot to answer for.

Actually that questioned has been answered by the courts and the clear response is you have no duty to rescue, unless you are the cause of the person needing to be rescued.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by coadie

This case is strange.

With Medical insurance we will be unable to reject people for preexisting conditions. Buy insurance when you get sick.

I am suspicious on the 8,000 dollar budget. Do they buy insurance for the trucks and workers?

I'm not suspicious. He is just citing operating costs and not equipment costs.

Operating costs might be like fuel for the trucks. Electricity for the Fire station. And so on.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by coadie

But they do pay. They cover this and other fire departments by taxes, state funding, federal grants etc. $75 dollars is just a special tarrif.

Districts are;
Union City 40-- Members, 41-- Apparatus.
S. Fulton 21--
Rives 61--
Troy 47--
Obion 81--
Hornbeak 44--
Samburg 20--
Rescue Squad 68-- Members & 69-- Apparatus

In a real world, in the case of larger fires such as this, units from several districts respond. That includes equipment that doesn't get a tarriff.

Do we know, in that city and state, that the FDs are funded by state and federal grants and taxes? Also if not state or taxes, federal funding would not be enough. Im just curious and BTW....

$75 is not a lot, not enough to prop up several city FDepts. It seems more like a shakedown on homeowners since, Im assuming, those that rent a house or apartment don't have to pay. It seems like another property tax

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

My next question concerning this: why doesn't this particular county have any fire departments?


Seems like someone at some point of time could allocated funds for what I would call a necessary part of county government infrastructure.



So do the residents of this county pay a special fee for police protection from the nearby city as well?

This situation exposes a real jacked up mindset of the role and purpose of local government.

Originally Posted by jfrog

That is a good question. Who is supposed to have provided fire service for the county and why didn't they?

Maybe the Fdepts were all out on call and the call got routed to this one

Or it could be these are rural, unincorporated areas that contract out to this city?

We have areas like that that don't have police so the sheriff covers them

[Cindy]

Our volunteer FD has fund raisers every year. They are excellent BTW. Very caring of people and property, as we had cause to find out. Of course we know most of them well, and are friends. We do not pay anything even though we don't live within the city limits. Other VFD's help if needed. We also have excellent response time from all our FD, Ambulance, and Sheriff's Dept. We do live in a large county.