How Much is Too Much

[notofworks]

I would call on the hard-liners, traditionalists, 3-steppers, ultra-cons, whatever the label is......to get back in the game. Why have you all run away with your tail between your legs? You don't like what DA says? Well, answer him!!!

To me, the ultra-cons sound exactly like Jack Nicholson when he said, "You can't handle the truth!!" Of course, you cons wouldn't know anything about Jack or his statement since it's a sin to watch it.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Not as long as you, but that means nothing. Longevity doesn't equivocate accuracy or knowledge. But...from the info I've heard, the same symptoms are present that preceded the old forums disappearing. For those that love this forum, I think we should be worried.

Originally Posted by mizpeh

What symptoms?

coadie running his cold dank fingers through Mr. Smith's hair.

(*shudder!*)

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I'm reading a LOT of the "Hard-liners", or "Traditionalists" complaining and disappearing. I don't see them here anymore. I don't see you posting much anymore. I don't see the stern Acts 2:38 people here much. Administrators don't post much and they're frustrated with the ____-raisers. I've seen frustration expressed openly, recently, about the direction of the forum. I think there's reason to be concerned.

People take breaks from time to time. Some groups, like the UPC preacher cons, started their own closed forum. Then the UPC preacher moderates started their own closed forum. Now AFF is a more of a liberal (one-stepper) forum. I've been busy with a couple of classes this semester. I don't have as much time to get into a discussion. But if you go back a couple of years, you will see the same frustration you see now. I'm not too concerned.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I would call on the hard-liners, traditionalists, 3-steppers, ultra-cons, whatever the label is......to get back in the game. Why have you all run away with your tail between your legs? You don't like what DA says? Well, answer him!!!

I wish he'd answer me!!!

To me, the ultra-cons sound exactly like Jack Nicholson when he said, "You can't handle the truth!!" Of course, you cons wouldn't know anything about Jack or his statement since it's a sin to watch it.

Or visa versa!

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

There's been a LOT of bellyaching lately about how negative AFF has become. Many cons have left claiming that AFF has become a haven for angry, anti-UPC (and the like) people.

So how much is too much? What should be allowed and what should not be allowed? Should all negative opinions be censored? Should this become a good-ole-boys club that banishes the DA-types who aggressively point out the inefficiencies and supposed hypocrisies of UPC people and UPC types?

I believe it's possible, maybe even likely, that the "Cons" who've left, did so because they couldn't defend their position. However, they're gone and it's blamed on the naysayers. Those that remain are very unhappy and even several that are not at all "Cons" are getting antsy.

So two questions:

1) How much is too much?

2) Who, on the forum, would you like to see gone?

One very sure way of knowing you have gone "too far" is when Admin gives you the smackdown.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

There's been a LOT of bellyaching lately about how negative AFF has become. Many cons have left claiming that AFF has become a haven for angry, anti-UPC (and the like) people.

So how much is too much? What should be allowed and what should not be allowed? Should all negative opinions be censored? Should this become a good-ole-boys club that banishes the DA-types who aggressively point out the inefficiencies and supposed hypocrisies of UPC people and UPC types?

I believe it's possible, maybe even likely, that the "Cons" who've left, did so because they couldn't defend their position. However, they're gone and it's blamed on the naysayers. Those that remain are very unhappy and even several that are not at all "Cons" are getting antsy.

So two questions:

1) How much is too much?

2) Who, on the forum, would you like to see gone?

It's not the negative opinions of doctrines but the constant "in your face" confrontations. You can't tell a conservative to just "don't go to those threads" because the antagonists sees all threads as an opportunity to get in someone's face.

It's one thing to start a thread, but even that gets old when it's day after day it seems of new, negative threads

So I think for the most part it's the attitude that bothers people and the repetitiveness of the subject. The attitude of "outing" and attempting to "shame" other members of a forum where the name includes "friends"

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I would call on the hard-liners, traditionalists, 3-steppers, ultra-cons, whatever the label is......to get back in the game. Why have you all run away with your tail between your legs? You don't like what DA says? Well, answer him!!!

To me, the ultra-cons sound exactly like Jack Nicholson when he said, "You can't handle the truth!!" Of course, you cons wouldn't know anything about Jack or his statement since it's a sin to watch it.

This is probably one of the reasons they don't come here.

AFF was never intended on being the forum to fix the Ultra cons of their doctrine and doing it through belligerence and disrespect

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I would call on the hard-liners, traditionalists, 3-steppers, ultra-cons, whatever the label is......to get back in the game. Why have you all run away with your tail between your legs? You don't like what DA says? Well, answer him!!!

To me, the ultra-cons sound exactly like Jack Nicholson when he said, "You can't handle the truth!!" Of course, you cons wouldn't know anything about Jack or his statement since it's a sin to watch it.

Well, you asked the question, then gave the reason in the next paragraph.

I think those that believe like they do have a right to belive it, so it gets old for them to read the put down slurs like your last sentence.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

This is probably one of the reasons they don't come here.

AFF was never intended on being the forum to fix the Ultra cons of their doctrine and doing it through belligerence and disrespect

Exactly.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I think it's possible to disagree with someone, or some issue, and disagree with a good spirit. Too often we don't see that.

But, it's not just one side that does it. I wish we could have productive discourse without either side getting 'over-the-top' and insulting with their response. I think adults should be able to disagree with civility.

Having a discussion like that requires really listening to the other person, the other viewpoint, though. Really considering what they are saying. And that's where we seem to derail. Too many are set on their views, determined that everyone else is wrong, and so discussion is halted at the outset.

I agree!