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Old 10-20-2010, 06:06 PM
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Re: Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy?

As someone that spent many years as an nco in the army can I add my 2 cents worth?
I served with and supervised gays of both genders while in the military. I didn't care what their personal lives consisted of as long as they performed the mission to standard. As far as my personal feelings went, as long as it didn't become an issue interfering with the mission then I left them alone.
You make an invalid point regarding gays not "hitting on" straights, because I remember as a young soldier in the 70's getting "hit on". In those days and into the era of DADT, gays were in the military, but the officer corps and senior noncoms always "looked the other way" for the sake of the mission and because they just didn't want to get involved in ousting someone from the military over something like sexual orientation/preference.
The gays in the showers argument is a valid one. Even though I believed they had a right to their own privacy (though against my moral convictions to be gay), I felt MY privacy was seriously invaded when I showered in the field with known gays.
Recently the former head of the Marine Corps said that he felt 95% of all marines would be uncomfortable having DADT lifted. What that is saying is they don't want their privacy invaded either, by "open" gays. The financial repercussions will be enormous. There will eventually have to be a straight female billet, straight male billet and a gay billet. It will not be like it is now under DADT, because at least now, you can be a gay in the military but you are required to use discretion. If DADT is lifted the discretion is gone. No pun intended, but it will be "in your face". Straight soldiers, sailors, and marines will be at a politically correct risk because gays will be viewed as a persecuted minority, and the straight voices may not be heard (Case in point, the Ft. Hood shooter)when they complain of overt improper behavior. What will happen even more often than that will be the accusation that a straight accuser will be labeled (by the media and political activists) as homophobic. Think it's not so? Look at some of the bashing some of the most loving men of God have taken all because of their Biblical position on homosexuality. Yeah, there ARE some jerks out there (ie; the Westboro Baptist church) that see things all black or white. I'm talking about godly men that love God and their fellow man and are truly compassionate towards ALL, gays and straights. These men are slimed. The media is giving the military a "pass" right now, but most of the news outlets despise the military, and all it will take is a couple of dozen straight complaints in the military about gay behavior or whatever, and the military will need to redo its image and start "Gay Relations" classes much like they had "Race Relations" classes back in the 70's in the army in order to mollify the PC police in the media, politics and academia.
Whew, glad I got that off my chest! I just wanted to present the point of view that most of my fellow veterans and retirees that I personally know feel. As long as they do the job I could care LESS if I'm working with, supervised by or supervising gays. That does not bother me. What bothers me about lifting DADT is the lifting of discretion...something that will infringe on the privacy of 98% of the military due to the nature of the job.

On a personal note: I feel for you. I am a lot like Aquila (sorry about that!) in that I really like the opposite sex. I mean they are a great temptation to me. I didn't come to know the Lord until after I'd been the army for three years as a single soldier in the '70s. What I'm trying to tell you is I understand the power of temptation. I know it is not easy to resist. God has helped me, by His grace to be able to withstand. You can with the help of the Lord Jesus and with some friends that agape love you not be overtaken. God doesn't want you to be alone and He sure doesn't want you to be separated in fellowship from Him, so there is a place for you, in Him.
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Last edited by Sabby; 10-20-2010 at 06:10 PM. Reason: clarification
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