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Old 10-20-2010, 05:40 PM
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I agree with everything you just said, except gambling. Gambling can be a sin when it takes away from food for the family, etc. Otherwise it is not a sin. I gamble every now and again when I go to Laughlin, but it might be $100 bucks max and generally it was a gift to me so I could actually play. I always come home a winner. In fact I went once on a paid for trip, paid by someone else. I was given $100 to spend or gamble. I didn't have the money to pay rent so I wasn't going to play at all. My wife and I went to play penny slots. About 4 dollars into a $20 bill I hit for over 1 grand, cashed out and was done. Paid my rent too. I never lose more than what I budget whether it is $5 bucks or $100.
Whether you win or lose is not the issue with me....if tomorrow you were to hit the superlotto and win 100 million bucks...realize that at least part (probably a large part) of that money comes from the pockets of folks who are addicted to gambling and are using funds that should have went to clothe, feed, and house spouses and children....who unfortunately had no say in what that person did with the money.
So the winnings that you receive come on the backs of innocent unfortunates who suffer because of gambling.


Enjoy your winnings.
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Old 10-20-2010, 05:44 PM
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Whether you win or lose is not the issue with me....if tomorrow you were to hit the superlotto and win 100 million bucks...realize that at least part (probably a large part) of that money comes from the pockets of folks who are addicted to gambling and are using funds that should have went to clothe, feed, and house spouses and children....who unfortunately had no say in what that person did with the money.
So the winnings that you receive come on the backs of innocent unfortunates who suffer because of gambling.


Enjoy your winnings.
that was snarky..wasn't it....sorry JT.

Seriously I certainly do not equate gambling a little here and there with adultery thievery etc....but it really does bother me that the winners do so at the expense of many helpless.
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Old 10-20-2010, 06:34 PM
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that was snarky..wasn't it....sorry JT.

Seriously I certainly do not equate gambling a little here and there with adultery thievery etc....but it really does bother me that the winners do so at the expense of many helpless.
The Bible says the "wealth of the sinner is laid up for the righteous." LOL

In all seriousness though I don't see the big issue if you aren't taking away from God and your family. Perhaps it isn't being the best steward you can be, but it is not sinful. It is considered that way by some money hungry people and preachers.

The people aren't helpless though. They can say no. No matter how addicted one is to anything they must say yes over saying no when partaking in whatever it is.

Let me ask you something. Would you take a large tithe check from someone that won a large lottery?
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Nah, since we're off topic anyway, ask instead: would you accept tithes from a welfare recipient? A widow with five kids who was struggling to pay bills? A person who didn't pay rent because tithes come first?
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The Bible says the "wealth of the sinner is laid up for the righteous." LOL

In all seriousness though I don't see the big issue if you aren't taking away from God and your family. Perhaps it isn't being the best steward you can be, but it is not sinful. It is considered that way by some money hungry people and preachers.

The people aren't helpless though. They can say no. No matter how addicted one is to anything they must say yes over saying no when partaking in whatever it is.

Let me ask you something. Would you take a large tithe check from someone that won a large lottery?

Okaaayyy....time to change the subject.....


Seriously....and in all honesty....not sure how I would react to it....maybe God needs to send me a test on that one...
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The Bible says the "wealth of the sinner is laid up for the righteous." LOL

In all seriousness though I don't see the big issue if you aren't taking away from God and your family. Perhaps it isn't being the best steward you can be, but it is not sinful. It is considered that way by some money hungry people and preachers.

The people aren't helpless though. They can say no. No matter how addicted one is to anything they must say yes over saying no when partaking in whatever it is.

Let me ask you something. Would you take a large tithe check from someone that won a large lottery?
The helpless ones i am talking about are the victims...those children and spouses of the addicts.
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Do you all think there is a place in the church for homosexuals?
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Nah, since we're off topic anyway, ask instead: would you accept tithes from a welfare recipient? A widow with five kids who was struggling to pay bills? A person who didn't pay rent because tithes come first?
Yes......because it is right...I have been pretty poor in my life...and i always paid my tithe.....first.

And God has always came through...

We dont pay our tithe if we can afford it...we pay them because it is God's money.
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Okaaayyy....time to change the subject.....


Seriously....and in all honesty....not sure how I would react to it....maybe God needs to send me a test on that one...
LOL, good answer. I think that unless it was money that was obtained through illegal ways you or anyone should take it. IMO.
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