Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy? - Page 47

Azzan · #**461** 10-21-2010, 06:27 AM

I'd like everyone to know that I know that I am the red-headed step child here. As such, I have been and will continue to try to be polite, courteous and respectful of everyone's opinions.

For the record I have not been warned privately by admin. Honestly, as a lurker here, I've rarely seen the stop sign pop up in discussions over the past year or so. So when it did pop up it was a bit of a shock and I took it to mean that the discussion was over.

Let it be known that my presence here is not to defend the gay agenda and life style nor am I here to attack biblical values and truths. I realize that my responses to some questions could be taken as such so know that I am doing my best to avoid that appearance by choosing my words with care.

Azzan · #**462** 10-21-2010, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

At what point in your life did you realize you were actually gay?

Around the age of 11. Could have been a year or so earlier.

Since we don't know you on a personal level, could you respond to a few questions presented as theories?

1) What was your family structure like (single-parent home)?

Your everyday common two-parent family. Typical Pentecostal home.

2) What was your relationship with your father?

My relationship with my father was 'normal' if there is such a thing.

3) Any early child sexual abuse/sexual exposure young?

Not that I can recall. Note I said recall. I'm not ruling that out as a possible cause but I have no recollection of any.

4) Any deep issues with pornography in your adolescent ages that turned into addictions?

I don't thnk so.

5) What was your social life like in grade school?

Good. I was not picked on, teased, etc.

I don't say this to marginalize you, but to test obvious theories that many sociologists and particularly psychologists have suggested.

Yes, I knew where you were going with this. It's ok. As I've said, I don't think there is one single cause for homosexuality.

Obviously, there is no consensus about being born gay, having a 'gay gene" or anything else. In fact, it's safe to say it's a theory largely unproven.

I agree it's a theory at the moment.

Many who say they were born that way have attempted to cope with their sexuality. They've owned it as theirs.

As I've tried to present, I had to. There was no way I was going to survive otherwise.

They've looked back into their childhood and defined things in that perspective. Many psychologists would tell you that many boys have had sexual curiosity (without it being homosexual) about other men.

Either way, I have no problem if someone feels they were born that way. I was born a sinner too. I was born selfish. I was born unregenerate. I was born as someone who looked out only for myself.

The thing I always remember-- in spite of my brokenness, I am made in God's image. You are made in God's image. It's a wonderful definition factor.

Azzan

Azzan · #**463** 10-21-2010, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

Azzan I hope you will come back. You did state at the beginning, I believe, that you were not interested in debating the issue. And I respect that position.

My question to you was simply in honesty wanting to hear someone that was gay give an explanation of the scriptures by Paul and also the ones that someone else posted from the Old Testament. I didn't feel Azzan that you addressed my remarks fully and yet I still understand that you were not interested in debating the issue. Does the gay population explain these scriptures or just ignore them. Maybe some who have dealt with this problem in the church can share the "gay stance" on these scriptures.

Been Thinkin

BT,

Speaking from personal experience the gay community will do basically one of two things with the Bible. They will either ignore it all together or they will interpret scripture in such a way that homosexuality is not condemed.

Cindy · #**464** 10-21-2010, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

God's grace just is. No conditions or fine little print. It just is.

Amen!!!! Look at how merciful He is to us. I can't put myself above anyone, because He forgave me of my sins.

MissBrattified · #**465** 10-21-2010, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Azzan

BT,

Speaking from personal experience the gay community will do basically one of two things with the Bible. They will either ignore it all together or they will interpret scripture in such a way that homosexuality is not condemed.

In which category are you?

coadie · #**466** 10-21-2010, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Azzan

BT,

Speaking from personal experience the gay community will do basically one of two things with the Bible. They will either ignore it all together or they will interpret scripture in such a way that homosexuality is not condemed.

I agree. I also add, they are willing to deny reference in the bible to homosexuality as being homosexuality.

Some scholars say anything is fine if it is done in luve under monogamy.

notofworks · #**467** 10-21-2010, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Azzan

I'd like everyone to know that I know that I am the red-headed step child here. As such, I have been and will continue to try to be polite, courteous and respectful of everyone's opinions.

For the record I have not been warned privately by admin. Honestly, as a lurker here, I've rarely seen the stop sign pop up in discussions over the past year or so. So when it did pop up it was a bit of a shock and I took it to mean that the discussion was over.

Let it be known that my presence here is not to defend the gay agenda and life style nor am I here to attack biblical values and truths. I realize that my responses to some questions could be taken as such so know that I am doing my best to avoid that appearance by choosing my words with care.

I have zero clout here, in fact, I probably have negative clout, but you have been nothing but courteous, kind, and polite. It has been my experience that people of your "lifestyle" have been very kind when they've jumped into the discussion in the past. One was a friend of our family's and she was not treated well at all. She never returned in kind and you have shown the same manners as she did.

I'll restate what I have privately, that I hope you stay around and not just here in this discussion, but in others as well. You're well-spoken, articulate, and your spell-checker works!

Thanks again for jumping into a discussion that is, obviously, a bit stacked against you.

Aquila · #**468** 10-21-2010, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Oh my gosh, Aquila! I can't stop laughing!!!!

Would that be the opposite of a man saying, "Man, she was ugly as a dog, I really was attracted to her!"

LOL

"Call me... Mighty Dog!" Bowow yo yippy ya! LOL

rgcraig · #**469** 10-21-2010, 09:45 AM

NOW, you should be happy - - your thread is up to 47 pages!

Aquila · #**470** 10-21-2010, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

I don't think anyone questions their ability to kill people, Aquila

And when it's open, would there be more of an issue?

Also, I don't think the concern is crazy gay sex going on in foxholes. I think the issue is other men being comfortable sharing a foxhole or intimate quarters with a gay man.

That could be an issue. One of my concerns is for the safety of gay soldiers. Some have a hatred so deep, they might try to kill or harm their fellow soldier.