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Dedicated Mind · #**721** 10-23-2010, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

What is "easy Grace", DM?

Can a person be saved the way DA teaches: Yes or No?

easy grace is saying the sinner's prayer. I don't believe the sinner's prayer alone will save anyone unless it may be a deathbed confession. DA does teach subsequent baptisms of water and spirit. So people can be saved eventually.

Jeffrey · #**722** 10-23-2010, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

easy grace is saying the sinner's prayer. I don't believe the sinner's prayer alone will save anyone unless it may be a deathbed confession. DA does teach subsequent baptisms of water and spirit. So people can be saved eventually.

I don't think DA believes repeating a prayer effects salvation. In fact, I know of few who do, even those who offer moments where they teach people how to pray through the "sinner's prayer."

From what I know of DA, he DOES believe we are saved by faith and believing. Believing is not a cognitive recitation: it's a heart-level response. We may help people put words to what already has happened in their heart, but it certainly is not repeat-after-me-regeneration.

Eventually? Your teaching of salvation, in my book, marginalizes the Story of God, and makes his grace as something limited. I do believe that's heresy.

Jeffrey · #**723** 10-23-2010, 03:23 PM

Mental ascent and cognitive believing are the biggest misunderstandings about what it means to come to faith in Christ. This largely ignores the Spirit's role in bringing people to confess Jesus as LORD.

notofworks · #**724** 10-23-2010, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

easy grace is saying the sinner's prayer. I don't believe the sinner's prayer alone will save anyone unless it may be a deathbed confession. DA does teach subsequent baptisms of water and spirit. So people can be saved eventually.

WHAT????? Are you on something? So it certain cases the sinner's prayer works, but in others, it doesn't???

Good grief. There's no use to even argue, here.

Jeffrey · #**725** 10-23-2010, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

WHAT????? Are you on something? So it certain cases the sinner's prayer works, but in others, it doesn't???

Good grief. There's no use to even argue, here.

Yeah, that one had me spinning my head as well.

Praxeas · #**726** 10-23-2010, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

I would say that you're missing the point, but that would be a radical understatement. You're not in the same galaxy, and in fact, I'm saying totally the opposite of what you posted. So you need to read the entire exchange between DedMind and I.

Im assuming the answer is no. My point then, irregardless of what the point you guys are making is, saying someone is teaching false doctrine is NOT the same as saying they are going to hell

Azzan · #**727** 10-23-2010, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

But you said that DA is......

....you know, this is goofy. I'm just typing the same things over and over again....

....you said that DA is teaching others something short of the whole gospel. Since the bible is clear about false teachers.....Jeffrey gave you all the verses and they're VERY clear....how can DA be saved if he's leader others to condemnation? You can't play both sides of the fence, DedMind.

No, I do not believe that Water/Spirit preachers are preaching false doctrine. I, myself, am a Water/Spirit doctrine preacher. In fact, just about any preacher that I know of in any denomination is a Water/Spirit preacher.

Now, how I see "Water/Spirit" is probably far different than you see it.

And you're flat out wrong with what you have repeatedly JUDGED DA for doing...he does NOT mock the water/spirit doctrine. He disagrees with your view of it, for sure, but he doesn't mocked.

I just made it to 544wpm on that one. My Mac is gonna blow up.

Ohhhhh... so you're a Mac user! That explains a lot!

Jeffrey · #**728** 10-23-2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Im assuming the answer is no. My point then, irregardless of what the point you guys are making is, saying someone is teaching false doctrine is NOT the same as saying they are going to hell

Actually, Prax, though that sounds logical and can sometimes be true -- if the doctrine has to do with one's salvation, it doesn't flesh out the same.

If you MUST do XYZ to be saved, and Candidate A does not do XYZ, then the theology there is that they will perish. It's not a personal judgement. It's not discounting "i put it in God's hands", etc... it's when the theology (rubber) meets the road.

notofworks · #**729** 10-23-2010, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Actually, Prax, though that sounds logical and can sometimes be true -- if the doctrine has to do with one's salvation, it doesn't flesh out the same.

If you MUST do XYZ to be saved, and Candidate A does not do XYZ, then the theology there is that they will perish. It's not a personal judgement. It's not discounting "i put it in God's hands", etc... it's when the theology (rubber) meets the road.

Dang, it, you beat me to it. Oh well, IRREGARDLESS, we have great weather today.

Jeffrey · #**730** 10-23-2010, 03:47 PM

DM, I'm responding to your comments on the other thread, please continue to do the same here.

How, in your theology, is their room for another to be saved outside of the 3-steps?