X-Ray Vans: What are your thoughts?

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Constitional doesn't cover everything. In some ways outdated to modern issues we deal with, IMO.

Yeah. I know people who feel the same way about the Bible.

[Azzan]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

You guys are living in a dreamworld, if you think terrorism is being dealt with my the law of the land.

I didn't say that. I happen to agree with you on this point.

[Aquila]

Where do civil liberties for the sake of security end? Should we outlaw offensive forms of speech because they could breed violence? Do we ban guns in effort to fight crime? Do we surrender the right to privacy in our person, papers, and effects to stop terrorism or illegals?

I can see using these x-ray vans at boarder control points, airports, mass transit stations, perhaps even large public events where Presidents speak, etc. But I'm concerned that these vehicles might be patrolling our streets, peering into our homes, garages, vechicles in our drives, churches, etc. They can see not only what you have, but how many people are in your home, and even what you're doing. Things such as this are a TRAGIC violation of our right to privacy.

And with this discussion, we're only talking "government". What about private entities that have an interest in spying on you?

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Azzan

I didn't say that. I happen to agree with you on this point.

I know you didn't, more of a general statement.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Yeah. I know people who feel the same way about the Bible.

the bible doesn't cover eveything but we still have the author around to guide us along, not so with the constitution. I have a feeling the founders would have added or subtracted somethings if written today with our modern issues/threats.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

the bible doesn't cover eveything but we still have the author around to guide us along, not so with the constitution. I have a feeling the founders would have added or subtracted somethings if written today with our modern issues/threats.

It was written with foresight to guard against exactly what is going on today.

The Constitution is more up to date now than it ever has been. The Constitution was written to guard us against our own government should it decide that our rights are optional.

That is where we stand today.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

the bible doesn't cover eveything but we still have the author around to guide us along, not so with the constitution. I have a feeling the founders would have added or subtracted somethings if written today with our modern issues/threats.

The rights and liberts secured by our Founders in the Constitution were what they viewed as inalienable rights given by our creator. Certainly during the revolutionary war, and the subsequent conflicts, our Founders could have expressed that our liberties are predicated upon social conditions. However, they fought tooth and nail to preserve our liberties.

Sometimes the true COST of liberty is life or limb. We cheer our soldiers on as they go into battle to defend liberty. Yet like COWARDS we are willing to surrender the very liberties they are giving their lives to defend. Don't we realize... we too have a price to pay? Liberty isn't free. If I am killed in a terrorist attack (the odds are greater that I be hit by lightening) then I die a free man. However, if I surrender those liberties to gain a false sense of security, the would be attacker will still attack, and I'll die as a man in bondage.

Liberty is best defended by being exercised... not surrendered.

“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.” ~ Benjamin Franklin

[Aquila]

One of the problems I see is that Americans have been conditioned to defend the government than liberty itself.

[RandyWayne]

As far as 'warrentless' vehicle scanning, I believe the only place it should be allowed (and encouraged) is on the border, for obvious reasons. I can also see cars and trucks being scanned as they enter high security area's such as power plants and military bases.

[Praxeas]

Invasion of privacy and Im not so sure they are safe