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10-26-2010, 01:27 PM
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Re: Apostolic Identity??
Psalms 22:3 KJV
But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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10-26-2010, 01:28 PM
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Re: Apostolic Identity??
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I couldn't agree more, although, Urshan looked completely out of his league and I felt sorry for him. Martin knew how to fight and Urshan didn't...at least, not face to face.
I think Martin was saying that if one doesn't believe in the existence of the three, not necessarily, the co-existence. I suppose on that technicality, I'd agree with him.
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Urshan did look like a fish out of water, IMO. I consider OP's brother's and sister's in Christ though... Martin knew exactly what Urshan's beliefs were and the debate was in regards to Oneness vs. Trinity, so I don't know why he would say that anyone denying the trinity was not his brother unless he did mean that OP's are not his brother's in Christ.
Of course, this is assuming that my memory on this part is correct.
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10-26-2010, 01:29 PM
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Re: Apostolic Identity??
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I also hope the true identity of any apostolic is love, how can it be otherwise and be apostolic or biblical or Christ like?
Jesus said everything hinged on loving Him and others as ourselves. I hope that isn't being lost in the shuffle of who did what and says what and believes what.
I'm very new here and I can tell you I'm getting zapped with the revelations on the UPC left and right.
I must have been sleeping thru all this...LOL! I just learned I'm a "three stepper" and my last two pastors were "one steppers" ...who knew...not me!
I do know there are hard people everywhere in every denomination, I saw that in UPC, I saw it in non-demon as well. But, I could never get away from grace and love as being the most important attributes of Jesus and what He expects of His children. Those attributes are what drew me to Him...somehow, somewhere this Jewish girl knew Jesus loved me and even if it had to be a secret with Him and I, I loved Him too.
Now, for that to shine thru me like it should is my prayer!
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This is my take as well, I have attended several UPC most of my life but I have not seen some of the things that get brought up here, if they are true then its sad, just hasnt been my experience. But it is assumed that the whole org is such a terrible thing.
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10-26-2010, 01:31 PM
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Re: Apostolic Identity??
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Exactly why I was so disgusted with it. I can't access youtube right now but I'll look it up tonight.
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I'll be very interested to find out exactly what the exchange was.
Will you post your findings in this thread?
Thanks in advance for your efforts.
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10-26-2010, 01:33 PM
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Re: Apostolic Identity??
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Psalms 22:3 KJV
But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
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Strike one. Try again.
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10-26-2010, 01:34 PM
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Re: Apostolic Identity??
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Urshan did look like a fish out of water, IMO. I consider OP's brother's and sister's in Christ though... Martin knew exactly what Urshan's beliefs were and the debate was in regards to Oneness vs. Trinity, so I don't know why he would say that anyone denying the trinity was not his brother unless he did mean that OP's are not his brother's in Christ.
Of course, this is assuming that my memory on this part is correct.
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Anyone who claims Christ as Lord and that God has raised Him from the dead, I accept as a brother. Period.
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10-26-2010, 01:35 PM
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Re: Apostolic Identity??
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He's saying, "Follow me, I am of Christ."
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Nooooo he says "be followers of me even as I am (a follower) of Christ"
That word "even as" tends to make the difference there
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-26-2010, 01:36 PM
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Re: Apostolic Identity??
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Strike one. Try again.
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I think they get it from Psalms. But it is not a direct quote word for word.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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10-26-2010, 01:37 PM
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Re: Apostolic Identity??
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
*Apostolic Identity* is concerned with preserving Apostolic distinctives and traditions that identify us culturally. David Bernard is the chief proponent.
My take: It's a new way to push those standards and traditions that can't be supported scripturally, so they must be propped up some other way.
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10-26-2010, 01:41 PM
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Re: Apostolic Identity??
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Nooooo he says "be followers of me even as I am (a follower) of Christ"
That word "even as" tends to make the difference there
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To make grammatical sense, it would need to be, "Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] a follower of Christ.
And of course, the "am" is added by translators so we don't have a direct match. I don't think we know that Paul meant to say "as I follow Christ".
Point is, the bible doesn't say, "Follow me as I follow Christ."
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