Isaiah 3 and jewelry... - Page 98

Godsdrummer · #**971** 10-27-2010, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Justin

I truly do not understand your logic. How you do gather that people in the church did not wear rings? Just because someone who wore them came in to the church?

If this is what you believe, you are clearly missing the context.

It is very simple realy, they simbolize anything that does not back up thier point, try to make the greek meaning back up what the context of scripture does not say.

Example: I heard a pastor once preach against facial hair. Now I knew there were those that preached against it but could not see where they could possibly get this teaching from.

This pastor used the passage that "says it is a shame for a man to prophecy with his head covered" and followed that up with the statement that the face is part of the head there for should not be covered.

Oh well you can lead a horse to water.....

MissBrattified · #**972** 10-27-2010, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

It is very simple realy, they simbolize anything that does not back up thier point, try to make the greek meaning back up what the context of scripture does not say.

Example: I heard a pastor once preach against facial hair. Now I knew there were those that preached against it but could not see where they could possibly get this teaching from.

This pastor used the passage that "says it is a shame for a man to prophecy with his head covered" and followed that up with the statement that the face is part of the head there for should not be covered.

Oh well you can lead a horse to water.....

This is very bad news for all the women whose whole *heads* must then be covered .

rdp · #**973** 10-28-2010, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Justin

I truly do not understand your logic. How you do gather that people in the church did not wear rings? Just because someone who wore them came in to the church?

If this is what you believe, you are clearly missing the context.

Assertions do not serve as evidence; the textual fact remains that the one's w/ the gold ring & vile clothing are depicted as outsiders...not insiders. YOU are the one missing the "context".

rdp · #**974** 10-28-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

It is very simple realy, they simbolize anything that does not back up thier point, try to make the greek meaning back up what the context of scripture does not say.

Example: I heard a pastor once preach against facial hair. Now I knew there were those that preached against it but could not see where they could possibly get this teaching from.

This pastor used the passage that "says it is a shame for a man to prophecy with his head covered" and followed that up with the statement that the face is part of the head there for should not be covered.

Oh well you can lead a horse to water.....

Yes....anything to make the Word of God of no effect! You fella's just never will get it...sad, very sad.

mfblume · #**975** 10-28-2010, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

I heard a pastor once preach against facial hair. Now I knew there were those that preached against it but could not see where they could possibly get this teaching from.

This pastor used the passage that "says it is a shame for a man to prophecy with his head covered" and followed that up with the statement that the face is part of the head there for should not be covered.

Oh well you can lead a horse to water.....

Aha!!! THAT is why they plucked the beard from Jesus' face on His way to the cross! Now I get it! They were straightening Him up!

onefaith2 · #**976** 10-28-2010, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

If I said it was pounded into my head and I don't think those are the words I used but no difference I guess, what I meant was every time some one new came in to the church the subjects of outward holiness, paying tithe, church attendanc, oneness of the Godhead, and baptism in Jesus name were the subjects. What I meant by balanced was the he did not preach things he felt were convictions. Like facial hair on men. He was a good pastor by most accounts. And I love the man. I have known of and heard of many that were what we term hard line. BJ was what most term middle of the road. That did not mean he did not still preach things I later found to not be sound word of God.

As for Deut. speaking of Men and women looking like each other, still not right. Sorry Acerrack but there was less distinction between men and womens garmets than what you have found dig deeper. I am not going to spell it out any more than that. As I have said before I am not out to convince anyone that they are wrong and get them to become like me. My Goal is only to get you back into the word When we think we have it all figured out is when we stop studying, when we stop studying we stop growing, when we stop growing we get stagnate. When we go to God with our questions and study we learn to recogize his voice and in doing this we strengthen our relationship with him. And that is what it is all about.

One faith yes God gives us principles it is when we try to apply the way we see the principle in our own life upon others that may see things different that we do that we do wrong. As Paul said in Romans 14 God has accepted them who are we to judge another man servant. Rather we should not set a stumbling block that would cause another weaker brother to fall.

Wouldn't you say though that those who believe the standards are the weaker brothers? That they have not found the 'revelation' of what true grace is? I can't see putting modest apparel up there with the personal convictions of Romans that Paul speaks about.

RandyWayne · #**977** 10-28-2010, 01:41 PM

Speaking of jewelry, my wife's birthday is this weekend (Oct 31st to be exact) and I am going to look at getting her a wedding band. After 6+ years she is sick of people asking her "So when is the wedding?" after they see her single engagement/wedding ring. Of course I'M never asked that question.....

onefaith2 · #**978** 10-28-2010, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Speaking of jewelry, my wife's birthday is this weekend (Oct 31st to be exact) and I am going to look at getting her a wedding band. After 6+ years she is sick of people asking her "So when is the wedding?" after they see her single engagement/wedding ring. Of course I'M never asked that question.....

I get asked that question all the time lol.. my wife did wear a band but now she is pregnant and fingers swell I guess.

MissBrattified · #**979** 10-28-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin

I truly do not understand your logic. How you do gather that people in the church did not wear rings? Just because someone who wore them came in to the church?

If this is what you believe, you are clearly missing the context.

That's because he isn't being logical. It's egregiously reading into the text to assume that the scripture indicating two men coming "unto your assembly" means they are unbelievers attending for the first time.

The scriptures following verse 2 stay with the context of rich vs. poor. They don't indicate in any sense that the man's "vile" clothing is anything other than dirty, cheap or shabby. Verse 6 addresses the fact that "ye have despised the poor" and reminds them of why they shouldn't favor the rich. "...rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats...[and] blaspheme that worthy name...."

This passage has nothing to do with condemning gold rings or goodly [magnificent or sumptuous] apparel. Nor do they condemn "vile" clothing. (Clothing that is dirty, cheap or shabby.) It has everything to do with teaching Christians not to show favoritism.

MissBrattified · #**980** 10-28-2010, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rdp

Yes....anything to make the Word of God of no effect! You fella's just never will get it...sad, very sad.

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This pastor used the passage that "says it is a shame for a man to prophecy with his head covered" and followed that up with the statement that the face is part of the head there for should not be covered.

So you agree with this????