Self control is hard for some of us. Addicted or not.
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Do you feel the same about masturbation in general? Divorced or widowed adults? BTW, not sure the word "lust" in your text is tied to what we are talking about. It's the general word for "desire"... KJV for you.
we are talking about pornograhy. I aint smart enough to get into some of the other things you speak of...
and i qualified that pronography is a gateway for sexual lust.... it is one form of lust and covered by the passages I referenced.
(I realize that those passages cover all forms of lust and that lust as mentioned does not strictly mean sexual lust.)
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I agree with Aquila that your argumentation here is not correct. Endorphins are not the gauge for what is right or wrong, helpful or harmful.
And your breakdown of the word "Pharmacaea" is irrelevant.
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We have a winner. It has influence over endorphins.
With pornography addiction, there is a change in the brain's chemistry (dopamine, norepinephrine, oxytocin and serotonin) when pornography is viewed.
In the New Testament, sorcery is the english word for the greek Pharmacaea. It refers activity that changes ones thoughts.[/B]
You are making up something I did not say. I didn't even think about endorphins pertaining to right or wrong. I didn't suggest a guage of any kind.
It is a fact that it takes increasing amounts of visual stimulation to trigger the same amount of endorphins.
Do you have experience with patients that have sexual addictions? I don't. I know what many of them are.
Are you telling me you went from porn addict to no porn and lots of sex with wife just like that? That doesn't fit the normal cycle of cases I've been involved with. Porn addictions are not about lack of sex most often. This is why guys with beautiful wives who are always willing surprise us by having an affair with a toothless whore for $20. Go figure!
Who said anything about being a "porn addict"? lol
I was in the Army and I was a healthy young man for crying out loud. Of course I'd check out the Playmate of the month on occasion. We all did. Sometimes they'd pin her centerfold up in the motor pool. We also trained to brutally kill people if necessary. That doesn't make me a porn addict or a murderer. I'm just a man.
Now, I got married. My wife didn't like the idea of that kind of thing, and we started going to church, so I essentially avoided it as much as possible.
Being married, as with many couples are just married, we were all over each other all the time. Sometimes two or more times a day or night for three or more nights a week. Of course, as anyone who's been married knows, that kind of thing vanishes. lol
MY QUESTION (before you turned to accusations or implications) was what is the biological difference between looking at your wife's beauty or looking at a magazine and experiencing orgasm?
Are you telling me you went from porn addict to no porn and lots of sex with wife just like that? That doesn't fit the normal cycle of cases I've been involved with. Porn addictions are not about lack of sex most often. This is why guys with beautiful wives who are always willing surprise us by having an affair with a toothless whore for $20. Go figure!
Absolutely true. Porn is often the fuel for sex, not the resolution to lack of sex.
Found this from a past thread - - maybe it will help explain the difference.
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Good question, Chris. If you just think of drug addiction, you will pretty much understand the difference.
Studies show, when people are sexually enticed, identical responses in the brain take place as when someone uses cocaine or other narcotics. Natural dopamine is released, giving people temporary relief from pain, stress, leaving one feeling euphoric and distant from their troubles.
Other technologies do the same thing. For instance, Video games. One study done on children in the hospital is very interesting. They found, doctors were able to reduce the medications given to children to alter their pain if they allowed them to play Video games. The reason; dopamine gave the child a sense of relief and reward.
Having a normal relationship with the opposite sex requires many interactions that are not necessary with Pornography. Emotions, moods, smell, and enduring other negatives are required in the act of love between two people who are intimate. This will generally keep a barrier between addictive and natural tendencies.
Pornography is a completely different experience. The "Act" eliminates all interaction, leading the person to a selfish and dark yearning. In fact, a person who engages in Porn eventually is repulsed by actual sex, all because (He/She) is gratified by a picture rather than a person, becoming bound by the “Quick Fix”.
Sexually addicted people are drawn by what's in it for them, becoming oblivious to the need their mate, lust driving them, not love. If the addiction goes too far, caution is thrown to the wind, responsibilities are forsaken, and they become strangled by shame.
Shame is actually the greatest hurdle for the sexually addicted to overcome, but once someone can admit (confession) they have a problem the cure is on its way.
Hope this helps.
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