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11-12-2010, 08:56 PM
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Re: Pornagraphy and Disability
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keep it simple Porn is wrong anytime, anyplace, by anyone!!
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Your conclusion may be that simple but the solution or how to arrive at the solution certainly isn't that simple.
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11-12-2010, 09:03 PM
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Re: Pornagraphy and Disability
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Your conclusion may be that simple but the solution or how to arrive at the solution certainly isn't that simple.
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Yep, strongholds/addictions are not easy by human effort. I think first to overcome we must acknowledge something is sin and we need help.
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11-12-2010, 09:11 PM
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Re: Pornagraphy and Disability
If it's a sin for someone that can physically have sex then it's wrong for someone that can't.
BTW essentially DM is arguing voyerism is ok in God's opinion
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11-13-2010, 08:01 AM
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Re: Pornagraphy and Disability
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Yep, strongholds/addictions are not easy by human effort. I think first to overcome we must acknowledge something is sin and we need help.
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They're not easy by spiritual effort, either. The "magic wand" mentality of having hands laid on our head and everything being solved in an instant is a fantasy world. Breaking free of these strongholds requires time, great friends, confession circles, often counseling, teamwork, and Spiritual empowerment.
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11-13-2010, 08:11 AM
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Re: Pornagraphy and Disability
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They're not easy by spiritual effort, either. The "magic wand" mentality of having hands laid on our head and everything being solved in an instant is a fantasy world. Breaking free of these strongholds requires time, great friends, confession circles, often counseling, teamwork, and Spiritual empowerment.
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Knowing and experiencing the power of God, I disagee.
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11-13-2010, 08:12 AM
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Re: Pornagraphy and Disability
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Knowing and experiencing the power of God, I disagee.
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Oh ok, I guess I don't know, nor have experienced the "power of God." Whatever.
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11-13-2010, 08:18 AM
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Re: Pornagraphy and Disability
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Oh ok, I guess I don't know, nor have experienced the "power of God." Whatever.
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Wasn't implying that.
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11-13-2010, 08:18 AM
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Re: Pornagraphy and Disability
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They're not easy by spiritual effort, either. The "magic wand" mentality of having hands laid on our head and everything being solved in an instant is a fantasy world. Breaking free of these strongholds requires time, great friends, confession circles, often counseling, teamwork, and Spiritual empowerment.
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Why not? Can't God fully deliver us from anything? When did He lose His power?
Why will our words, our counseling, do something God can't? Hasn't He done it before, when hands were laid on people? When they were prayed for and delivered? He can't and doesn't do that? According to who? How does man break a stronghold? What power does any man have to do that? Where does the Spiritual empowerment come from? Men or God?
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Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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11-13-2010, 08:25 AM
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Re: Pornagraphy and Disability
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Why not? Can't God fully deliver us from anything? When did He lose His power?
Why will our words, our counseling, do something God can't? Hasn't He done it before, when hands were laid on people? When they were prayed for and delivered? He can't and doesn't do that? According to who? How does man break a stronghold? What power does any man have to do that? Where does the Spiritual empowerment come from? Men or God?
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Yeah, I wonder how much counseling the man who was crazy that Jesus cast devils out needed? He sat next to Jesus clothed and in his right mind. What do we tell him , "we got a 12 step program for you"
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And someday master you. --Anon.
The most deadly sins do not leap upon us, they creep up on us.
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11-13-2010, 08:31 AM
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Re: Pornagraphy and Disability
I am in no way against counseling or helping our brothers and sisters. We can learn a lot and do a lot for each other, but we are not the deliverer, God is. He does have the power whether some believe it or not. He hasn't changed. Yes, they might need us to talk to someone in the middle of the night? Who? I have been there, there's usually no one around. But God is!!!! When temptation tries to overcome us, we call on the name of Jesus don't we? Or do we call our friends?
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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