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11-13-2010, 02:37 PM
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Re: Pornagraphy and Disability
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Originally Posted by Sam
When people knelt on the street and asked Jesus to come in -- He did what they asked--He came into their lives and changed them. But, not everyone had exactly the same experience. Some were delivered completely from sin (drugs, alcohol, the gang style of living) and had no desire for the stuff. Others had to spend nights in "drying out" while they shook and vomited while Teen Challenge workers held them, wiped them off, and prayed for them. Some never had the desire for drugs and some had to fight the temptation daily to go back to the old life style. Some did go back and would ask forgiveness and start over. Some had to make several tries before they were stabilized. These are just different ways God works, saves, and delivers. We need to lift someone up when he falls even if it seems he just keeps on falling more times than we think he should. We need to let people lean on us when they can't stand on their own. Some people need to be carried. We need to be willing to pray with people while they shake and chill and vomit. None of this is pretty and it's not a neatly wrapped "church package" but it is real life. And this, in my opinion, is how God works with His Body/Church in saving people. This is how we "loose" those who have life but no liberty.
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You put this very well Sam.
You just can't decide "ok, that's it, you've slipped up too many times, this time you're on your own." Well, I mean, you can....but being on the receiving end of that isn't pleasant and it creates an awful lot of problems with trusting people, and most of all God, in the future.
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11-13-2010, 03:10 PM
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Re: Pornagraphy and Disability
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Even for the ones "Instantly" delivered, I bet there is still a process. It's a lifelong process, one day at a time.
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There's stuff I was delivered from with no process needed. Not saying things people must not walk out of but to say porn requires time, counseling, confession of circles negates what God can do in a person.
As far a saints, We should try to restore them but if no response or change then disfellowship til they repent.
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Today pull up the little weeds,
The sinful thoughts subdue,
Or they will take the reins themselves
And someday master you. --Anon.
The most deadly sins do not leap upon us, they creep up on us.
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11-13-2010, 03:11 PM
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Re: Pornagraphy and Disability
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Originally Posted by notofworks
Great!! I'm happy you've heard of those things. But to expect every person, or even most people, to respond like this is completely unrealistic. I would even say that 9 times out of 10, maybe even more than that, it's a LONG process!
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Not sure if deliverence is a process or our we slow to give up our sins and submit to God.
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Today pull up the little weeds,
The sinful thoughts subdue,
Or they will take the reins themselves
And someday master you. --Anon.
The most deadly sins do not leap upon us, they creep up on us.
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11-13-2010, 03:20 PM
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Re: Pornagraphy and Disability
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Originally Posted by Truthseeker
There's stuff I was delivered from with no process needed. Not saying things people must walk put but to say porn requires time, counseling, confession of circles negates the what God can do in a person.
As far a saints, We should try to restore them but if no response or change then disfellowship til they repent.
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My point was, even after being delivered many of us are in a process while we continue to walk with the Lord or otherwise we could return to those things we did like a dog to it's vomit
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-13-2010, 03:22 PM
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Re: Pornagraphy and Disability
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Originally Posted by Truthseeker
Not sure if deliverence is a process or our we slow to give up our sins and submit to God.
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And this is exactly the danger in propagating an "instant" deliverance. You're making it seem as if the person who can't instantly shake an addiction, is at fault. "Oh, it's because you haven't given up your sins", or, "You haven't submitted to God.
This starts a downward spiral of guilt and self-condemnation that is never healthy and pushes a person back to their addiction. You sound like people who bark at those who can't quite speak in tongues, "You haven't let go of sin!!"
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11-13-2010, 03:43 PM
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Re: Pornagraphy and Disability
How could we grow in faith without temptation? For those with instant deliverance and it never crossing their mind again, Praise God. For those that struggle or struggled, still Praise God!!!!
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He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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11-13-2010, 03:45 PM
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Re: Pornagraphy and Disability
Sometimes just a human voice, ear, or touch really helps some of us make it through. That in no way diminishes God's power at all.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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11-13-2010, 03:46 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: Pornagraphy and Disability
Just for the record, is the topic dead or is someone going to go back to the actual topic?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-13-2010, 03:49 PM
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Re: Pornagraphy and Disability
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Originally Posted by Cindy
Sometimes just a human voice, ear, or touch really helps some of us make it through. That in no way diminishes God's power at all.
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11-13-2010, 03:49 PM
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Re: Pornagraphy and Disability
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Originally Posted by Cindy
How could we grow in faith without temptation? For those with instant deliverance and it never crossing their mind again, Praise God. For those that struggle or struggled, still Praise God!!!!
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I have a theory on why some struggle and are tempted and why some receive instant deliverance. It is base on 1 Corinthians 10:12 which says, "No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it." My theory is that God filters our temptations and does not allow any that we could not overcome. He knows who could not withstand the temptation of alcohol (or whatever) so that person loses all desire for alcohol (or whatever). He knows who can (with His help) resist the temptation for alcohol (or whatever) so he allows those temptations to continue.
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