Are Fat People Going to Hell? - Page 6

brianmidwest · #51 11-30-2010, 06:24 PM

Dercums is genetic. Passed on through the maternal genes. And I appreciate you concern. But you are right, the subject of the thread was gluttony. Now, not point at anyone, butttttt..... The Romans and Greeks practiced gluttony as a accepted part of the feasts. Rarely, were the people who participated overweight. In fact, the Romans had a rather dim view of obesity. S0.... is it being fat that bothers concerns folks or the sin of gluttony? And if the person hides their sin, is it indeed more acceptable? Hmmmmmmm.....

coadie · #52 11-30-2010, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by brianmidwest

Dercums is genetic. Passed on through the maternal genes. And I appreciate you concern. But you are right, the subject of the thread was gluttony. Now, not point at anyone, butttttt..... The Romans and Greeks practiced gluttony as a accepted part of the feasts. Rarely, were the people who participated overweight. In fact, the Romans had a rather dim view of obesity. S0.... is it being fat that bothers concerns folks or the sin of gluttony? And if the person hides their sin, is it indeed more acceptable? Hmmmmmmm.....:dunno

A study was conducted in a Pacific Island culture. Males selected heavy mates. After TV arrived, they started choosing slender women. Go figure.

Same in Mexico.

Margies3 · #53 11-30-2010, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

What constitutes "fat?" Morbidly obese? Overweight? Chubby? Anything outside of the doctor-dictated healthy weight range?

Man, I used to be a LOT thinner and a lot healthier. We're a lot busier than we used to be, with 6 people + pets in the household, and it gets really difficult (and expensive) to eat all lean meats, veggies/fruit and organics. I've probably put on 20 lbs. since my son was born, and I was at least 30 lbs overweight when I got pregnant with him. *sigh* Do the math: my petite frame is packing 50 extra lbs. and I'm not particularly happy about it. Did I get that way by sitting down and eating whole tubs of ice cream or a full pan of brownies? Definitely not.

Here are my thoughts:

1. Food is a necessity to human survival, unlike other addictive substances. Therefore, you can't tell people to simply abstain from food, whereas you could tell them to abstain from unnecessary substances.

2. Abstinence is often easier than moderation and discernment.

3. Saying that someone who is "fat is going to hell" is like saying someone with "lung disease is going to hell." It's kind of stupid to pinpoint the symptoms of a problem as the sin when that symptom can be shared with a number of causes. A person can develop lung disease after they've quite smoking; we wouldn't say they were going to hell for having the disease, would we?

4. Americans in general are overweight and unhealthy, and it's not just portion sizes that are the problem. It's the type of foods we eat, coupled with a lack of exercise. We are increasingly bound to desks and computers instead of working outside, we drive everywhere instead of riding a bike or walking, and we ride escalators and elevators instead of taking the stairs. We even have to set aside special time for exercise that our grandparents got every day just by going about their daily routine.

5. Gluttony is a sin. Now define "gluttony." It isn't just a matter of eating an extra piece of pie on Thanksgiving is it? If it is, there are a lot of hell-bound people on this forum, and that would include the skinny ones who ate until their stomachs hurt.

(Oh, yeah, you know who you are, and you know you did.

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Bottom line:

This is a cultural problem, not a sin problem. (for the most part)

Miss B, now I know why our friend P loves you so much!! You are the voice of reason on this. Thank you for taking the time to post here. Now for those who want to argue with her - listen up! Read what she wrote again. And if you still don't get it, read it again. WE are not God. It is God's judge to decide who goes to Hell and who doesn't. Not ours

houston · #54 11-30-2010, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by coadie

A study was conducted in a Pacific Island culture. Males selected heavy mates. After TV arrived, they started choosing slender women. Go figure.

Same in Mexico.

I won't date a stick girl... or a *cough* full figured girl... she has to be a moderate.

coadie · #55 11-30-2010, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Margies3

Miss B, now I know why our friend P loves you so much!! You are the voice of reason on this. Thank you for taking the time to post here. Now for those who want to argue with her - listen up! Read what she wrote again. And if you still don't get it, read it again. WE are not God. It is God's judge to decide who goes to Hell and who doesn't. Not ours

God sees beauty where we don't The issue I see is some people appear very healthy in our culture standards but are very unhappy and ungratefull.

Cindy · #56 11-30-2010, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by brianmidwest

Dercums is genetic. Passed on through the maternal genes. And I appreciate you concern. But you are right, the subject of the thread was gluttony. Now, not point at anyone, butttttt..... The Romans and Greeks practiced gluttony as a accepted part of the feasts. Rarely, were the people who participated overweight. In fact, the Romans had a rather dim view of obesity. S0.... is it being fat that bothers concerns folks or the sin of gluttony? And if the person hides their sin, is it indeed more acceptable? Hmmmmmmm.....

I think we can safely say that being fat is not a sin, but being a glutton is.

Cindy · #57 11-30-2010, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Margies3

Miss B, now I know why our friend P loves you so much!! You are the voice of reason on this. Thank you for taking the time to post here. Now for those who want to argue with her - listen up! Read what she wrote again. And if you still don't get it, read it again. WE are not God. It is God's judge to decide who goes to Hell and who doesn't. Not ours

coadie · #58 11-30-2010, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by houston

I won't date a stick girl... or a *cough* full figured girl... she has to be a moderate.

You are not politically correct.

Cindy · #59 11-30-2010, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by houston

I won't date a stick girl... or a *cough* full figured girl... she has to be a moderate.

Margies3 · #60 11-30-2010, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by NotforSale

Sis, you won't go to Hell, but you might have health related problems because of being overweight.

Over 30 years ago I was told to quit smoking cigarettes by the Church because they are bad for the body. Today, some of these same men who told me to dump the smokes are huge and are suffering from heart disease, arthritis, diabetes, and many other problems because of their diet.

Quality of life and a good example are the result of staying lean and fit.

I totally disagree with this statement. One thing I've observed over the years is that as people get older, thin people have heart problems - just like fat people do. Thin people break hips, arms, legs, etc. - just like fat people do. Thin people get cancer - just like fat people do. I am convinced that genetics play a bigger part in the length of a person's life than does their size.

Now if we are talking about a person who is 600 lbs, that might make a big difference. I don't know. I honestly don't know anyone that big.