DKB's Impassioned Plea For Iranian Branhamite? - Page 14

DAII · #**131** 12-04-2010, 03:33 PM

An FAQ created by "message believers" to set both Oneness and Trinnies straight ...

This article is a short comparison of some key factors of Trinitarian, Oneness, and Biblical Christianity. William Branham disagreed with both Trinitarianism and Oneness - and taught that the truth was in the middle ground between them. Click here to read William Branham's sermon "The Godhead Explained". ....

http://en.believethesign.com/index.p...ty_and_Oneness

Some of the theophanies teaching is very strange .... imo.

Their "threeness" economic view is similar to the AD Urshan view of the Godhead, imo, as well

Another teaching that stands out is Mary was just an incubator ... not his human mother.

Jermyn Davidson · #**132** 12-04-2010, 03:53 PM

From the "Apostolic" pov: why pray for a man who's spreading a false doctrine?

If we pray for him, do we pray for the Church of God missionary when he/she is persecuted too?

Are they our brothers and sisters too?

Where does it stop?

Pretty sure all Christians will be our brothers and sisters-- where will that leave us and our very exclusive doctrines?

We need to return to the old days of calliing heathens heathens-- all of this Christian concern for other non-Apostolics is not conducive for our standards of salvation, holiness, and separation from the world.

I say from the world because if this guy is not Apostolic, he might as well be in the "world"-- he's not Apostolic, he's not saved, he's not my brother and he is definitely part of this world system of false doctrine and sin!

Maybe if I pray for him, I'll have the chance to show him the truth, then he'll accept it-- repenting of his years of spreading a false gospel, getting rebaptized into the Name of Jesus Christ, and being filled with the REAL Holy Ghost, this time speaking in tongues! God will even let it be confirmed by others and before you know it, he'll be holy just like the rest of us!

Then he can be executed with the confidence that he will go to Heaven!

Praxeas · #**133** 12-04-2010, 03:59 PM

Follow the link. It sounds like a Oneness message

http://www.williambranham.com/featur...water-baptism/

Father, Son, and Holy Ghost is offices of one God. He was the Father; He was the Son; He is the Holy Ghost. It’s three offices or three dispensations, the Fatherhood, the Sonship, and the Holy Ghost dispensation. But Father, Son, and Holy Ghost has one Name, the Lord Jesus Christ.
Every person from that day on was baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ, and they found some that was baptized in no Name at all, and the original Greek said right here and both the Hebrew, that the baptism in the Name of Jesus is for the forgiveness of sins, both Greek and Hebrew. “Remit” means, “to forgive,” of course. If I remit anything, is to take it away, to remit it–”take it away.”....

There is no such a thing as name of “Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.” Father is not a name, Son is not a name, Holy Ghost is not a name. It’s three titles, therefore there is no such a thing as the name of “Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.” That’s no name, So I baptize in the Name of Jesus Christ which is the Name of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Clear?

timlan2057 · #**134** 12-04-2010, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

From the Apostolic pov: why pray for a man who's spreading a false doctrine?

If we pray for him, do we pray for the Church of God missionary when he/she is persecuted too?

Are they our brothers and sisters too?

Where does it stop?

Pretty sure all Christians will be our brothers and sisters-- where will that leave us and our very exclusive doctrines?

We need to return to the old days of calliing heathens heathens-- all of this Christian concern for other non-Apostolics is not conducive for our standards of salvation, holiness, and separation from the world.

I say from the world because if this guy is not Apostolic, he might as well be in the "world"-- he's not Apostolic, he's not saved, he's not my brother and he is definitely part of this world system of false doctrine and sin!

Maybe if I pray for him, I'll have the chance to show him the truth, then he'll accept it-- repenting of his years of spreading a false gospel, getting rebaptized into the Name of Jesus Christ, and being filled with the REAL Holy Ghost, this time speaking in tongues! God will even let it be confirmed by others and before you know it, he'll be holy just like the rest of us!

Then he can be executed with the confidence that he will go to Heaven!

Yes J.

I think you grasp the point here.

Any religious person should pray for the man, but the claiming him as "our own" seems to be done with good publicity opportunities in mind.

And that seems rather inconsistent, considering fellowship lines are drawn at the drop of the hat by Hazelwood in the good ole US of A.

Praxeas · #**135** 12-04-2010, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAII

An FAQ created by "message believers" to set both Oneness and Trinnies straight ...

This article is a short comparison of some key factors of Trinitarian, Oneness, and Biblical Christianity. William Branham disagreed with both Trinitarianism and Oneness - and taught that the truth was in the middle ground between them. Click here to read William Branham's sermon "The Godhead Explained". ....

http://en.believethesign.com/index.p...ty_and_Oneness

Some of the theophanies teaching is very strange .... imo.

Their "threeness" economic view is similar to the AD Urshan view of the Godhead, imo, as well

Another teaching that stands out is Mary was just an incubator ... not his human mother.

From this website

The word baptize derives from the Greek word βάπτειν, which means "to immerse". Christians are baptized (immersed in water) as a first step of obedience to the words of Jesus and to demonstrate to the World that they have become a Christian. Christian baptism is performed in the "Name of the Lord Jesus Christ" (which is the Name, singular, of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit).

A: In the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Jesus said Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: (Mat. 28:19) The Name, singular, of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is the Lord Jesus Christ.

The name of the Father is Lord.
1. I am the Lord; that is my name! (Isa. 42:8)
2. The Lord who formed it the earth and established it— the Lord is his name. (Jer. 33:2)
The name of the Son is Jesus.
1. She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins. (Matt. 1:21)
The name Christ (Greek: Christos), frequently applied to Jesus, is the name wherein the Holy Spirit, the anointing, is identified.
1. Christ [Greek: Christos] in you, the hope of glory. (Col. 1:27)
The Name of the Father (Lord), and of the Son (Jesus), and of the Holy Spirit (Christ) cannot be separated into separate persons.
1. God hath made ... Jesus... both Lord and Christ. (Acts 2:36)
2. Jesus Christ: (He is Lord of all). (Acts 10:36)

Christians should therefore be baptized in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, which is in the Name is the Lord Jesus Christ. The words 'Father', 'Son', and 'Holy Spirit' are not names (or one Name), but are titles reflecting various attributes of God.
The following scriptures record actual baptisms in the New Testament:

Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. (Acts 2:38)
...and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized... (Acts 8:12)
They were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. (Acts 8:16)
Be baptized in the name of the Lord. (Acts 10:48)
That is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.(Acts 19:4b,5)

Baptizing in the name does not merely mean doing it in the authority of. It means invoking the name; it means speaking the name aloud. In the 'great commission,' Jesus said, "In my name they will drive out demons...they will place their hands on sick people." The apostles did this by invoking the name, speaking aloud his name. The same should be done at water baptism.

Is rebaptism necessary for someone that has not been immersed in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ?

Baptism in Brazil, where the majority of the population are baptized as infants.

A: Yes, for the following reasons:
1) It is clear from the Bible (Acts 19:1-5) that people that were baptized incorrectly were commanded to be rebaptized:
And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Jermyn Davidson · #**136** 12-04-2010, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by timlan2057

Yes J.

I think you grasp the point here.

Any religious person should pray for the man, but the claiming him as "our own" seems to be done with good publicity opportunities in mind.

And that seems rather inconsistent, considering fellowship lines are drawn at the drop of the hat by Hazelwood in the good ole US of A.

Well that's all fine, but if that religious person isn't Apostolic, that prayer means nothing! God doesn't hear the prayers of sinners unless they are repenting and are ready to get baptized in Jesus Name.

Jermyn Davidson · #**137** 12-04-2010, 04:13 PM

If this guy was a Trinitarian Pastor, would we be encouraged to pray for him?

Should Apostolics pray for Trinitarians on the verge of execution or should we focus our attention on getting the appropriate tract to him so he'll have the chance to formally reject the true Gospel before he busts hell wide open?

Jermyn Davidson · #**138** 12-04-2010, 04:14 PM

WWSE do?

DAII · #**139** 12-04-2010, 04:27 PM

Can someone please convey to the testa dura, co-owner of this forum that no one has denied that many, even most present-day Branhamites baptize in Jesus name.

Does this get them a backstage pass?

DAII · #**140** 12-04-2010, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timlan2057

Yes J.

I think you grasp the point here.

Any religious person should pray for the man, but the claiming him as "our own" seems to be done with good publicity opportunities in mind.

And that seems rather inconsistent, considering fellowship lines are drawn at the drop of the hat by Hazelwood in the good ole US of A.

Why is it you get it?