Is baptism essential unto salvation?

[KWSS1976]

Dordrecht it will be ok..LOL But I do understand your fustration on the baptism thing....If baptism saves then you must get baptised everytime you sin which no one does so it must not save you like some on here says it does....

[Sam]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Dordrecht it will be ok..LOL But I do understand your fustration on the baptism thing....If baptism saves then you must get baptised everytime you sin which no one does so it must not save you like some on here says it does....

As Howard Goss, first General Superintendent of the UPC, stated in an article that appeared on pages 6 and 10 of the June 1954 Pentecostal Herald:

The blood and power of the Lord Jesus is the only source of regeneration or the New Birth. Water baptism alone has no power to remit sins, else we could baptize infants as do the Catholics. The Roman Catholic teaches regeneration by water baptism, but it is not according to the Word of God. A candidate for baptism in water should be baptized BECAUSE THE BLOOD has cleansed, remitted, forgiven his sins, and not in order to get them remitted, as WATER ALONE CANNOT WASH AWAY SINS. The old hymn goes:
What can wash away my sins,
Nothing but the Blood of Jesus.
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I doubt if we would see something like this in the Pentecostal Herald today

[KWSS1976]

And per Acts it is Repent,be baptised, and be filled cannot happen the way you posted Dordrecht you cannot repent and be filled thats not the correct order...LOL Just messing with ya...

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Sam

As Howard Goss, first General Superintendent of the UPC, stated in an article that appeared on pages 6 and 10 of the June 1954 Pentecostal Herald:

The blood and power of the Lord Jesus is the only source of regeneration or the New Birth. Water baptism alone has no power to remit sins, else we could baptize infants as do the Catholics. The Roman Catholic teaches regeneration by water baptism, but it is not according to the Word of God. A candidate for baptism in water should be baptized BECAUSE THE BLOOD has cleansed, remitted, forgiven his sins, and not in order to get them remitted, as WATER ALONE CANNOT WASH AWAY SINS. The old hymn goes:
What can wash away my sins,
Nothing but the Blood of Jesus.
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I doubt if we would see something like this in the Pentecostal Herald today

Howard Goss didn't believe the message.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Howard Goss didn't believe the message.

I think Howard Goss believed in the message as he understood it, now I don't believe that it what the Bible teaches. But I think he was sincere.

I misunderstands Baptism, the water itself doesn't save, that is Baptismal regeneration, but faith in the operation of God, or what God does in response to Faith. Remit and break the power or bondage of the body of sins.

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

And per Acts it is Repent,be baptised, and be filled cannot happen the way you posted Dordrecht you cannot repent and be filled thats not the correct order...LOL Just messing with ya...

Well, I repented and got filled with the Holy Spirit a couple of years before I was baptized.

According to you that was all a joke and I am not saved and should start over again and do it in the right o r d e r?

Just messing with you also.....:-)

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Sam

As Howard Goss, first General Superintendent of the UPC, stated in an article that appeared on pages 6 and 10 of the June 1954 Pentecostal Herald:

The blood and power of the Lord Jesus is the only source of regeneration or the New Birth. Water baptism alone has no power to remit sins, else we could baptize infants as do the Catholics. The Roman Catholic teaches regeneration by water baptism, but it is not according to the Word of God. A candidate for baptism in water should be baptized BECAUSE THE BLOOD has cleansed, remitted, forgiven his sins, and not in order to get them remitted, as WATER ALONE CANNOT WASH AWAY SINS. The old hymn goes:
What can wash away my sins,
Nothing but the Blood of Jesus.
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I doubt if we would see something like this in the Pentecostal Herald today

Sounds right to me.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Well, I repented and got filled with the Holy Spirit a couple of years before I was baptized.

According to you that was all a joke and I am not saved and should start over again and do it in the right o r d e r?

Just messing with you also.....:-)

Some conservative Apostolics would believe you did not receive the REAL Holy Ghost if it happened before you were "properly" baptized because you were still filthy and unwashed from your sin and your sin had not been remitted/forgiven.

[LUKE2447]

I can only shake my head at the original poster who after reading the total of 55 posts in which little "real" argument is done, and mosts posts lack any depth but a poor hint of philososphy. Opinion must be based upon scripture and by the core principle teachings which flow from it. Sure opinion can be very much correct but it must follow clearly in line with scripture and its principle. The problem is you have not even seen arguments and your.....

I am starting to fall on the side of the camp that believe it is not a requirement... ???(due to what has been said here? LOL!)


while I am not a fan of symbolism or legalism (unbelievable)


I still see its relative importance in the church... (LOL what is baptism for and how is it relative more than a personal public confession if it does not have part in salvation. Show the scriptures for your view of baptism)


but I still don't see where it is a stipulation of salvation.(ever read anything on baptism I guess 1 Peter says nothing right and Romans 6 has nothing to do with being placed in the body)


Your statements really say a lot though I was short because I really don't have time you really show confusion by a lot of what you say.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Sounds right to me.

hmmm so I guess death and blood are not synonmous anymore as you are not into his death UNTIL your are baptized. Death and blood are synonomous.