Acts 8:14

[SDG]

Originally Posted by keith4him

They had a incomplete experience so much so, that the Apostles were need to help their experience line up with the normative intiation.

No hablo ingles ... want to say that in laymen speak.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Peter had the keys and until the door was opened to Jew-Samaritan-Gentile it was his job to bind and loose. After that then it was not necessary.

I do think that it is ironic that Peter was involved in 3 people groups, the Jews, Gentiles and the mixed group the Samaritans.

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by keith4him

They had a incomplete experience so much so, that the Apostles were need to help their experience line up with the normative intiation.

no hablo englas

[SDG]

Originally Posted by keith4him

I do think that it is ironic that Peter was involved in 3 people groups, the Jews, Gentiles and the mixed group the Samaritans.

Ironic or a catalyst????

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

No hablo ingles ... want to say that in laymen speak.

I believe and even the esteemed David Pawson in his book The Normal Christian Birth, believes that the normative Christian experience of intiation or New birth was incomplete and therefore those that knew about this were needed to help complete their experience.

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by Kutless

did receiving the HG really rest in the hands of another individual? This definitely sounds a bit contradictory??

I am told that possibly Peter and John were simply following the Jewish tradition that required the laying on of hands by the synagogue leaders in order to appoint new leaders. Simon was not offering money for the power to impart tongues. He was offering money to be appointed a leader in the new church to be able to appoint other leaders.

4th century popes paying for their positions ring a bell to anyone?

Ya think that Peter, John, and even Paul had a hard time breaking from Jewish traditions?

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[Kutless]

Originally Posted by Kutless

I may be guilty of being to literal here but no where in this particular passage does it say or indicate that Peter acted alone.

vs. 14.......they sent for Peter and John

vs. 15......they both prayed for an infilling

vs. 17 they both laid theor hands on them

where in the world is praxeas or mfblume??????

Originally Posted by Kutless

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When they laid hands on them is a transferace of power and faith. The evangelist evidently was not ordained in this area and had to wait upon the apostles.

Simon wanted more that the leadership, he was already a powerful leader. History records that at the time of the apostles he had a gnostic following that rivaled theirs. And it has been claimed that he started the Roman christian work. (Simon Petra not Simon Peter) He was after another power he did not have.

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by Richard Perry

When they laid hands on them is a transferace of power and faith. The evangelist evidently was not ordained in this area and had to wait upon the apostles.

Simon wanted more that the leadership, he was already a powerful leader. History records that at the time of the apostles he had a gnostic following that rivaled theirs. And it has been claimed that he started the Roman christian work. (Simon Petra not Simon Peter) He was after another power he did not have.

The transfer of power sounds like nothing more than the pope. My buddy calls Peter the first pope.

You second statement is in line with what I was saying. Simon was not trying to buy the power to speak in tongues rather the power of this new group.

Originally Posted by Kutless

The transfer of power sounds like nothing more than the pope. My buddy calls Peter the first pope.

You second statement is in line with what I was saying. Simon was not trying to buy the power to speak in tongues rather the power of this new group.

"Because they laid hands on them and heard them speak in tongues", this action recorded in several places elludes to an action and reaction. It took both parties' faith but not nessasarily demanded it. to conclude that it is an action compareable with the Pope is insinuating (maybe not) that it is a powerless gesture of absolution and empowerment.

Not true. Just simple faith moving in the church the way God designed to be.