Re: Man made standards. Who do they think they are
Standards will make you a good little Apostolic.
Standards will make you a good little Pentecostal.
Standards will make you a good little Baptist.
Standards will make you a good little Methodist.
Standards will make you a good little Luthern.
Don't be fooled into being a good little religionist following the "standards". You'll bust Hell wide open.
The Father's one and ONLY desire for your soul and sanctification is to be conformed into the image of the person of Jesus. That is IT! The Christian destiny. The MEANING of the Christian life. And guess what... only Jesus can live the "Christian" life. Therefore you have to die and allow HIM to live HIS life through you. Being an extension of Jesus with every waking moment, every breath.
Re: Man made standards. Who do they think they are
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Originally Posted by Narrow Is The Way
Sorry, abominations do not change with time. Without going into details, when God told the Children of Israel of an abomination this did not change from the old testament to the new testament. Abominations do not change!! We are still bound in this case.
As for the Deut 21 18-21 this was directed at the children of Israel for that time. There were no abominations mentioned here.
Jesus told Peter: Cast your net on the other side.
This does not mean that when I go fishing I have to do the same.
Not sure if you get my point, probably a bad analogy, lol
I agree with the modestly with skirts on women and pants on men.. but abominations can change.. here is one
Leviticus 11:10
And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
Unless you still believe catfish is an abomination to eat?
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Re: Man made standards. Who do they think they are
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Originally Posted by Aquila
Standards will make you a good little Apostolic.
Standards will make you a good little Pentecostal.
Standards will make you a good little Baptist.
Standards will make you a good little Methodist.
Standards will make you a good little Luthern.
Don't be fooled into being a good little religionist following the "standards". You'll bust Hell wide open.
The Father's one and ONLY desire for your soul and sanctification is to be conformed into the image of the person of Jesus. That is IT! The Christian destiny. The MEANING of the Christian life. And guess what... only Jesus can live the "Christian" life. Therefore you have to die and allow HIM to live HIS life through you. Being an extension of Jesus with every waking moment, every breath.
You regretfully deny that sanctification can become outward in dress. A sad spiral my friend.
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Re: Man made standards. Who do they think they are
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Originally Posted by Aquila
It's not about how you dress.
It's not about how you entertain yourself.
It's not about the works you do or "earning salvation".
It's not about being "obedient" to an earthly pastor or religious system.
It's not about waking up in the morning thinking about what you will "do for God" that day.
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If one is truly saved, all the above will matter, not to earn salvation to allow salvation to have her perfect work. If you think a saved person can entertain themselves in any way they choose, you are not far from sodomy or if you think a saved person doesn't have to do any works, you are misunderstanding what we are saved to do, and if you think "obedience" to spiritual authority has nothing to do with keeping our relationship with God, you are denying that we are to "obey" the ones Jesus sets above us to lead us closer to Him.
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Re: Man made standards. Who do they think they are
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Originally Posted by Narrow Is The Way
Sorry, abominations do not change with time. Without going into details, when God told the Children of Israel of an abomination this did not change from the old testament to the new testament. Abominations do not change!! We are still bound in this case.
ROFL! ROFLMBO! Literally! (OK, not literally, but this is seriously hilarious! lol)
Unless you also believe that is it still an abomination to eat shellfish. Then I take it all back. I will unlaugh at you.
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As for the Deut 21 18-21 this was directed at the children of Israel for that time. There were no abominations mentioned here.
Obeying that law would have been an abomination, IMO.
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Jesus told Peter: Cast your net on the other side.
This does not mean that when I go fishing I have to do the same.
Not sure if you get my point, probably a bad analogy, lol
Probably.
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Re: Man made standards. Who do they think they are
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Originally Posted by onefaith2
If one is truly saved, all the above will matter, not to earn salvation to allow salvation to have her perfect work. If you think a saved person can entertain themselves in any way they choose, you are not far from sodomy or if you think a saved person doesn't have to do any works, you are misunderstanding what we are saved to do, and if you think "obedience" to spiritual authority has nothing to do with keeping our relationship with God, you are denying that we are to "obey" the ones Jesus sets above us to lead us closer to Him.
Wow. What makes one's mind jump immediately to that point?
Did he say that a saved person could entertain themselves in any way they choose?
Re: Man made standards. Who do they think they are
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Originally Posted by onefaith2
You regretfully deny that sanctification can become outward in dress. A sad spiral my friend.
I don't deny that. I believe that regeneration of the dead spirit of man takes place when one receives the Holy Ghost, this "sanctifies" (sets apart) the believer unto God. The new nature of Christ (righteousnesS) is imparted by faith alone. What one then struggles with is the carnal mind. This is overcome through renewing the mind through the Word of God. As the mind (soul) is renewed by the living Word of God the believer is taking on the mind of Christ. As one takes on the mind of Christ, yes, modesty will be the result.
However, "modesty" isn't about women wearing nothing but skirts and dresses at a manditory length. Modesty is appearing non-seductive. For example, a women in our house church wear pants and are rather modest. They aren't any tighter than men's jeans. However, in the Apostolic church I left women were wearing skirts and dresses that were form fitting and about mid shin. On top of that they wore no panty hose. Meaning their legs were bare in the skits and dresses. This is the "easy access" look. The women who dress normally in our house church are far more modest in appearance and personality than the Apostolic women I've known.
When one puts on Christ as their only standard, allowing Him to live through them, they will be modest. And I have little tolerance for stupid debates about kilts, facial hair, wedding bands, etc.
Re: Man made standards. Who do they think they are
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Originally Posted by Aquila
I don't deny that. I believe that regeneration of the dead spirit of man takes place when one receives the Holy Ghost, this "sanctifies" (sets apart) the believer unto God. The new nature of Christ (righteousnesS) is imparted by faith alone. What one then struggles with is the carnal mind. This is overcome through renewing the mind through the Word of God. As the mind (soul) is renewed by the living Word of God the believer is taking on the mind of Christ. As one takes on the mind of Christ, yes, modesty will be the result.
However, "modesty" isn't about women wearing nothing but skirts and dresses at a manditory length. Modesty is appearing non-seductive. For example, a women in our house church wear pants and are rather modest. They aren't any tighter than men's jeans. However, in the Apostolic church I left women were wearing skirts and dresses that were form fitting and about mid shin. On top of that they wore no panty hose. Meaning their legs were bare in the skits and dresses. This is the "easy access" look. The women who dress normally in our house church are far more modest in appearance and personality than the Apostolic women I've known.
When one puts on Christ as their only standard, allowing Him to live through them, they will be modest. And I have little tolerance for stupid debates about kilts, facial hair, wedding bands, etc.
Give me CHRIST!
You implied dress doesn't matter.. So now you are saying dress does matter? Not talking about apostolic standards, but dress itself.
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At least, he's consistent. (But IMO it is ridiculous to think God gets really upset about someone eating shrimp. 
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