But Stew, arent you assuming when you say you know he continued to pursue? He may have, but I have not heard that. If he did he is at fault for not following dispatch request. That could result in a charge, though I am not sure dispatch is considered a law enforcement officer.
Following the dispatcher's advice is optional. I don't believe a dispatcher can tell you what to do and what not to do. There was no crime committed in not following the dispatcher's direction. However I'd consider chasing a random person down the street harassment regardless.
My problem is Zimmerman's account of being attacked from behind is not consistent with one witness: the girlfriend.
Zimmerman claimed he got out of the vehicle to look for a street sign and the kid jumped or ran out from nowhere and attacked him from behind.
The girl who was on the phone with Trayvon seconds before the incident suggests that directly before a scuffle took place, Trayvon and Zimmerman exchanged words. Unless Zimmerman was talking to Trayvon with his back turned (which doesn't make any sense to me) the two stories conflict.
The witness that claims that Zimmerman was acting in self-defense claimed Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman. That does not tell us who attacked who, that simply lets us know that regardless of who started it Trayvon got the upper hand. It's very possible Zimmerman started the fight, and just ended up losing. In which case he couldn't claim self-defense because he caused the conflict and in the state of Florida Trayvon doesn't have to retreat he can "stand his ground". Unfortunately we see where that got him.
Quickly and then I'm going to bed because I have to wake up early tomorrow: a problem I have with this witness that just came forward is that he told Zimmerman and Trayvon that he was going to call the police. The police have released 9-11 calls that contain information about what happened that night from other witnesses. None of those 9-11 calls are consistent with this witness' story, nobody called the police and identify themselves as this witness that saw "everything" and I wonder why? Did the witness never get around to calling the police? I've also received word that the FBI is investigating what they believe to be a 9-11 coming from Trayvon Martin in the seconds before the incident occurred.
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Following the dispatcher's advice is optional. I don't believe a dispatcher can tell you what to do and what not to do. There was no crime committed in not following the dispatcher's direction. However I'd consider chasing a random person down the street harassment regardless.
My problem is Zimmerman's account of being attacked from behind is not consistent with one witness: the girlfriend.
Zimmerman claimed he got out of the vehicle to look for a street sign and the kid jumped or ran out from nowhere and attacked him from behind.
The girl who was on the phone with Trayvon seconds before the incident suggests that directly before a scuffle took place, Trayvon and Zimmerman exchanged words. Unless Zimmerman was talking to Trayvon with his back turned (which doesn't make any sense to me) the two stories conflict.
The witness that claims that Zimmerman was acting in self-defense claimed Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman. That does not tell us who attacked who, that simply lets us know that regardless of who started it Trayvon got the upper hand. It's very possible Zimmerman started the fight, and just ended up losing. In which case he couldn't claim self-defense because he caused the conflict and in the state of Florida Trayvon doesn't have to retreat he can "stand his ground". Unfortunately we see where that got him.
Quickly and then I'm going to bed because I have to wake up early tomorrow: a problem I have with this witness that just came forward is that he told Zimmerman and Trayvon that he was going to call the police. The police have released 9-11 calls that contain information about what happened that night from other witnesses. None of those 9-11 calls are consistent with this witness' story, nobody called the police and identify themselves as this witness that saw "everything" and I wonder why? Did the witness never get around to calling the police? I've also received word that the FBI is investigating what they believe to be a 9-11 coming from Trayvon Martin in the seconds before the incident occurred.
The witness did not just come forward... I understand he came forward immediately, and his testimony is in the police report. He/she just does not want to be public at this time.
You must be very well connected to the FBI.
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The witness did not just come forward... I understand he came forward immediately, and his testimony is in the police report. He/she just does not want to be public at this time.
You must be very well connected to the FBI.
No. God-willing maybe one day. Always wanted to be a special agent since I was a kid.
Following the dispatcher's advice is optional. I don't believe a dispatcher can tell you what to do and what not to do. There was no crime committed in not following the dispatcher's direction. However I'd consider chasing a random person down the street harassment regardless.
My problem is Zimmerman's account of being attacked from behind is not consistent with one witness: the girlfriend.
Zimmerman claimed he got out of the vehicle to look for a street sign and the kid jumped or ran out from nowhere and attacked him from behind.
The girl who was on the phone with Trayvon seconds before the incident suggests that directly before a scuffle took place, Trayvon and Zimmerman exchanged words. Unless Zimmerman was talking to Trayvon with his back turned (which doesn't make any sense to me) the two stories conflict.
The witness that claims that Zimmerman was acting in self-defense claimed Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman. That does not tell us who attacked who, that simply lets us know that regardless of who started it Trayvon got the upper hand. It's very possible Zimmerman started the fight, and just ended up losing. In which case he couldn't claim self-defense because he caused the conflict and in the state of Florida Trayvon doesn't have to retreat he can "stand his ground". Unfortunately we see where that got him.
Quickly and then I'm going to bed because I have to wake up early tomorrow: a problem I have with this witness that just came forward is that he told Zimmerman and Trayvon that he was going to call the police. The police have released 9-11 calls that contain information about what happened that night from other witnesses. None of those 9-11 calls are consistent with this witness' story, nobody called the police and identify themselves as this witness that saw "everything" and I wonder why? Did the witness never get around to calling the police? I've also received word that the FBI is investigating what they believe to be a 9-11 coming from Trayvon Martin in the seconds before the incident occurred.
I'm just saying that if I were the police and I recognized that this man had refused to follow directions from dispatch (especially when the directions were something as reasonable as not following somebody for no reason), I would not be so quick to release him after he killed said person. The 911 call gives a clear indication of his mindset and intentions. "These (expletives), they always get away" and then later "(expletive), he's running".
He had no intentions of remaining with his vehicle like he was instructed. When the dispatcher asked him where he wanted the police to meet him, he said they should call when they got there to find out where he was.
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I'm just saying that if I were the police and I recognized that this man had refused to follow directions from dispatch (especially when the directions were something as reasonable as not following somebody for no reason), I would not be so quick to release him after he killed said person. The 911 call gives a clear indication of his mindset and intentions. "These (expletives), they always get away" and then later "(expletive), he's running".
He had no intentions of remaining with his vehicle like he was instructed. When the dispatcher asked him where he wanted the police to meet him, he said they should call when they got there to find out where he was.
Not arguing, just saying he didn't have to legally do what the dispatcher says. Dispatchers are trained law enforcement officials. You could do the exact opposite of what they tell you and not get in trouble, you might put yourself in danger though.
I realize though Zimmerman had some bad intentions when he went running for the kid and running after him and chasing him is considered harassment.
The Florida law that zimbo thought protected him will not protect him (hopefully) because he was the one who started the confrontation.
Being suspended for 5 days from school is easy to do in Florida. If he was THAT BAD of a kid, who wouldn't be able to be on the football team.
Truth is Martin doesn't have a criminal record. zim has a record.
Martin did not start this and so here is where the injustice may occur. A young man was walking down the street minding his business and accosted from behind. When he defended himself, he was killed and that is what makes my blood boil.
zim is NOT innocent, morally speaking, and if he gets away with murder, he won't get away-- unless he repents, which I am not sure what repentance would look like for a man who declares he did nothing wrong.
As for the pictures of Trayvon Martin, for all we know those are the latest pictues his family has of him. Neither I or my parents have a yearbook picture of me to this day and I've never been the one to take a lot of pictures of myself.
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The Florida law that zimbo thought protected him will not protect him (hopefully) because he was the one who started the confrontation.
Being suspended for 5 days from school is easy to do in Florida. If he was THAT BAD of a kid, who wouldn't be able to be on the football team.
Truth is Martin doesn't have a criminal record. zim has a record.
Martin did not start this and so here is where the injustice may occur. A young man was walking down the street minding his business and accosted from behind. When he defended himself, he was killed and that is what makes my blood boil.
zim is NOT innocent, morally speaking, and if he gets away with murder, he won't get away-- unless he repents, which I am not sure what repentance would look like for a man who declares he did nothing wrong.
As for the pictures of Trayvon Martin, for all we know those are the latest pictues his family has of him. Neither I or my parents have a yearbook picture of me to this day and I've never been the one to take a lot of pictures of myself.
Sorry Jermyn, the statements that are bolded are very much debatable, and from what I have read cannot be validated. I think the police witness saw Zim being attacked...
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
We do not know who initiated the contact, but Trayvon also had rights under the Florida "stand your ground" law.
Zimmerman was a clear cop wannabe, as evidenced by the 47 911 calls that he had made in the past.
I believe that this is a clear manslaughter case, at the least.
It cannot be first-degree, because there was no premeditation.
The main issue complicating the prosecution will be the amount of publicity surrounding the case.
And the comments by the President.
And by the way, in case it has not been stated before, Zimmerman is Hispanic.
Perhaps the reason Zimm has not been arrested is because the PROFESSIONALS in law enforcement knew about the witness who saw it all, knew Zimm acted in self defense, and despite the media outcry...can't arrest a man for defending himself form Trayvon.
I know that is an impossible conclusion though right? After all, everyone knows Trayvon is innocent because Facebook, the POTUSD and every news outlet in the world is telling us Zimmerman is the villain.
I'm tired of the whoel thing. Everyone is jumping to sides based on half truths and media frenzy.
Perhaps the reason Zimm has not been arrested is because the PROFESSIONALS in law enforcement knew about the witness who saw it all, knew Zimm acted in self defense, and despite the media outcry...can't arrest a man for defending himself form Trayvon.
I know that is an impossible conclusion though right? After all, everyone knows Trayvon is innocent because Facebook, the POTUSD and every news outlet in the world is telling us Zimmerman is the villain.
I'm tired of the whoel thing. Everyone is jumping to sides based on half truths and media frenzy.
You can't just blame everything in the world on Obama and the media. I, and other people, have said that our conclusion is based largely on the real-life, recorded conversation he had when he called the police prior to the incident and prior to any confrontation. I don't see how you can blatantly disregard what you were told to do when you called "the PROFESSIONALS in law enforcement", gratuitously create a situation where you kill a 17 year old kid, claim self defense, and walk away scot free.
I would say this no matter what the racial particulars were...it just seems like basic, common sense to me.
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