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[shazeep]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I will take your word that you do not sin. But please listen to your brothers that tell you it is impossible for them not to sin.

you deceive yourself if you believe you no longer sin.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

1 John 3:7-10

Little children, let no one LEAD you ASTRAY; the one practicing righteousness is righteous, JUST AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS. The one who practices sin is OF THE DEVIL, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the WORKS of the devil. Anyone born of God REFUSES to practice sin, because God's SEED abides in him; he CANNOT go on sinning, BECAUSE he has been born of God. Through this, the children of God and the children of the devil are MANIFEST: anyone not practicing righteousness is NOT OF GOD, and also the one not loving his brother.

Powerful proof osas is error.

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amen to that; but anyone reading this who thinks they haven't sinned in the last 24 hours speak up now, because you are almost surely deceiving yourself.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by shazeep

amen to that; but anyone reading this who thinks they haven't sinned in the last 24 hours speak up now, because you are almost surely deceiving yourself.

But then of course there is always the question of just what is sin, which seems to be we cannot come to an agreement on that question.

To many sin is that which their church by laws deem sin based on traditions of men.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

But then of course there is always the question of just what is sin, which seems to be we cannot come to an agreement on that question.

To many sin is that which their church by laws deem sin based on traditions of men.

ya--it is hard to include oneself in "you eat, and wipe your mouth, and say you have done nothing wrong." While it will not strike many as "fair" or whatever, satan intentionally places us in this position, and we commit sins of omission as well as commission as a result. Our purchases fund slavery, etc.

[shazeep]

"why do you call Me good?"

[shazeep]

doesn't mean you aren't forgiven; but don't get cocky!

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Originally Posted by shazeep

amen to that; but anyone reading this who thinks they haven't sinned in the last 24 hours speak up now, because you are almost surely deceiving yourself.

You need to study Romans 6. A defeatist attitude that says we must have sinned even if we can't think of when is symptom of a false belief.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You need to study Romans 6. A defeatist attitude that says we must have sinned even if we can't think of when is symptom of a false belief.

well i agree with that, but it assumes that one could not think of when. Imagine a world where you are raised believing that you must learn a trade in order to earn "money " to eat and clothe yourself, and that "church" is a place you go to a couple times a week, and you are taught all the various other compromises that we assume from the cradle to be true--that might keep one from VS's description of accessing the divine--which all seem completely acceptable to us.

It's perfectly acceptable to drive a car, for instance; disregarding that it is not possible for every adult on the planet to have a car, and that oil extraction is contaminating the water, and burning fuel is contaminating the air. But it is of course ridiculous to suggest that owning a car is a sin.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

well i agree with that, but it assumes that one could not think of when.

Most who claim we sin every day and believe we are kidding ourselves if say we do not, are of the same ilk who believe we may not know what sin we committed, but surely we must have committed one, since it is impossible not to sin.

If you feel the inclination as a result of my recommendation, please read the book, TURKEYS AND EAGLES, by Peter Lord. It addresses this issue quite nicely.

Imagine a world where you are raised believing that you must learn a trade in order to earn "money " to eat and clothe yourself, and that "church" is a place you go to a couple times a week, and you are taught all the various other compromises that we assume from the cradle to be true--that might keep one from VS's description of accessing the divine--which all seem completely acceptable to us.

It's perfectly acceptable to drive a car, for instance; disregarding that it is not possible for every adult on the planet to have a car, and that oil extraction is contaminating the water, and burning fuel is contaminating the air. But it is of course ridiculous to suggest that owning a car is a sin.

I am speaking from the perspective of Romans 6's explanation or walkthrough of how we have dominion over sin through Christ. We died with Him, and He died to sin. That means we also died to sin. And when one died to sin, one is no longer under its dominion. God sees us as dead to sin and alive to Himself as much as Christ is. It;s more than proxy, but actually real in benefits. Christ's benefits of having died and resurrected is that sin has absolutely no dominion over Him. And that is shared by us. The same power of the Spirit animating Him since then is upon us. But we need to faith to experience that. Without faith it is nullified.

Once we understand that, we realize, "What on earth have I been thinking I have to sin everyday for? I died with Christ to that sin! Sin cannot dominate me any more."

And then we go to God as those who really are alive from the dead (Ro 6:13). And the faith God sees in us as we present ourselves to Him in that manner, causes Him to empower us. Faith pleases Him and moves Him to bless. And the blessing in this case is empowerment to not sin. THAT is what Gal 5 meant when it said those who walk after the Spirit will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. In other word, will not sin.

The Calvinists never understood that, and think Romans 6 is an IDEAL, and not a dominion we can actually experience.